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Old 08-05-2025 | 04:43 AM
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Any word on how seniority, basing, and pay will work if hired under the combined application? As of now Alaska pays over 70% more first year than Hawaiian. Will new hire pay be at Alaska rate regardless of airline?
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Old 08-05-2025 | 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Stratoliner
Any word on how seniority, basing, and pay will work if hired under the combined application? As of now Alaska pays over 70% more first year than Hawaiian. Will new hire pay be at Alaska rate regardless of airline?
Pay, haha no way, you will get Hawaiian pay of you pick Hawaiian and vice versa. Two separate contracts, two different pay scales.
Basing, if you pick Alaska, you’ll get anyone of their bases, based on seniority and base availability. Standard airline stuff.
Hawaiian, well if 787 isn’t filled in SEA it could be available, but count on HNL in the 717.
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Old 08-05-2025 | 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Stratoliner
Any word on how seniority, basing, and pay will work if hired under the combined application? As of now Alaska pays over 70% more first year than Hawaiian. Will new hire pay be at Alaska rate regardless of airline?

New hire pay at Hawaiian is $87/hr, there was a $10,000 bonus for a while, but not sure if that's staying or not, Alaska's is about $120 according to their profile page. I wouldn't say that's 70% difference, still sizable though. If you go to the Hawaiian side of the house you'll get Hawaiian pay until JCBA, seniority will be DOH, and you'll be based in a Hawaiian base: HNL, CVG (330 freight) , or SEA (787). If you go to the Alaska side of the house the same deal, Alaska pay and bases until JCBA. I think the big difference is indoc will be in Seattle regardless of what side of the operation you pick.
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Old 08-05-2025 | 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Flika
New hire pay at Hawaiian is $87/hr, there was a $10,000 bonus for a while, but not sure if that's staying or not, Alaska's is about $120 according to their profile page. I wouldn't say that's 70% difference, still sizable though. If you go to the Hawaiian side of the house you'll get Hawaiian pay until JCBA, seniority will be DOH, and you'll be based in a Hawaiian base: HNL, CVG (330 freight) , or SEA (787). If you go to the Alaska side of the house the same deal, Alaska pay and bases until JCBA. I think the big difference is indoc will be in Seattle regardless of what side of the operation you pick.
How is seniority determined at Alaska?
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Old 08-05-2025 | 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Neosporin
How is seniority determined at Alaska?

From what I hear it's an octagon type deal. 2 pilots enter, last one standing is senior, the other is put on indefinite reserve.

In all seriousness I probably misunderstand their question, If Straoliner was asking about in class seniority, I believe Alaska uses age. Hawaiian is last 4 of SSN.

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Old 08-05-2025 | 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Flika
From what I hear it's an octagon type deal. 2 pilots enter, last one standing is senior, the other is put on indefinite reserve.
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Old 08-05-2025 | 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Flika
New hire pay at Hawaiian is $87/hr, there was a $10,000 bonus for a while, but not sure if that's staying or not, Alaska's is about $120 according to their profile page. I wouldn't say that's 70% difference, still sizable though. If you go to the Hawaiian side of the house you'll get Hawaiian pay until JCBA, seniority will be DOH, and you'll be based in a Hawaiian base: HNL, CVG (330 freight) , or SEA (787). If you go to the Alaska side of the house the same deal, Alaska pay and bases until JCBA. I think the big difference is indoc will be in Seattle regardless of what side of the operation you pick.
38% more pay at Alaska, more precisely.

But odds are very good you would only see that difference either way for a few months at most, JCBA is probably right around the corner. I'd weigh fleet/domicile assignment much higher, unless you literally don't care where you live and can afford HNL on $84/hr.
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Old 08-05-2025 | 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
38% more pay at Alaska, more precisely.

But odds are very good you would only see that difference either way for a few months at most, JCBA is probably right around the corner. I'd weigh fleet/domicile assignment much higher, unless you literally don't care where you live and can afford HNL on $84/hr.
Yeah I did the math backwards XD
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Old 08-05-2025 | 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
38% more pay at Alaska, more precisely.

But odds are very good you would only see that difference either way for a few months at most, JCBA is probably right around the corner. I'd weigh fleet/domicile assignment much higher, unless you literally don't care where you live and can afford HNL on $84/hr.
I wouldn't count on that. JCBA's can also take years.
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Old 08-05-2025 | 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by LumberJack
I wouldn't count on that. JCBA's can also take years.
It won't take years. There is merger motivation to get this done from from management's side.
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