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Old 08-06-2025 | 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by MinRest
The JCBA is a bridge, just as it was with VX and AS.
VX didn’t have a contract. That’s quite a difference.




Anyway, JCBA is not a full on section 6.
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Old 08-06-2025 | 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Jet J
yes I omitted it and said fixed it for you??? I took out the industry standard, that was the point. Industry standard isn’t good enough.

And say you get only industry standard. What are you going to do, other than vote no?


Walk with your feet is the only real leverage - and that happened in 2022/23 when the hiring was crazy. Today, not so much. It’s about to get hyper competitive. No need to pay out $1000 for any referrals. Nor is there a need for them to feel like they have to give industry-leading. I highly doubt we see anything industry leading outside of section 6.
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Old 08-06-2025 | 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by MinRest
Dude just go to another airline already lol.
Some of us are smart enough to not be placated by a paint job that won’t be flown by anyone on our seniority list for many years.
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Old 08-06-2025 | 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
And say you get only industry standard. What are you going to do, other than vote no?


Walk with your feet is the only real leverage - and that happened in 2022/23 when the hiring was crazy. Today, not so much. It’s about to get hyper competitive. No need to pay out $1000 for any referrals. Nor is there a need for them to feel like they have to give industry-leading. I highly doubt we see anything industry leading outside of section 6.
Yes shy that is all we can do. What’s your point?
That’s how the process works. That’s my whole point. Don’t accept mediocrity. Vote no if the TA is sub par. Wright your reps tell them what you want.

What’s the benefit to rush this thing through? So the company can get their cake and eat it too at our expense? I’m going to lose seniority and career progression because of this. Give me some f@&$ing cake too.
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Old 08-06-2025 | 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Jet J
Yes shy that is all we can do. .
What’s the benefit to rush this thing through? So the company can get their cake and eat it too at our expense? I’m going to lose seniority and career progression because of this. Give me some f@&$ing cake too.
Needs to be said again, 100% agree.

Don't even think about making the 787 part of your calculation as an Alaska pilot voting on this. You will have plenty of time in your 737 cockpit to KEF to cry in your overnight oats about this if you fold easily here.

I'm hopeful for the long term but through the mid term as a fairly junior pilot I think this is going to suck a lot.
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Old 08-06-2025 | 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
VX didn’t have a contract. That’s quite a difference.




Anyway, JCBA is not a full on section 6.
And AS had a binding arbitration clause. They were both ALPA carriers which made a JCBA necessary.
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Old 08-07-2025 | 10:30 AM
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Just curious if anyone has any idea how many applications were submitted in the last week. I remember hearing about how HA had like 3,000 for 30 spots and wondering if it’s looking to be the same now.

What would the first steps look like if someone is selected? Is there a hogan/psych test like some of the other legacies? Or do you just hop right into the interview process?
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Old 08-07-2025 | 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Skyhawk218Heavy
Just curious if anyone has any idea how many applications were submitted in the last week. I remember hearing about how HA had like 3,000 for 30 spots and wondering if it’s looking to be the same now.

What would the first steps look like if someone is selected? Is there a hogan/psych test like some of the other legacies? Or do you just hop right into the interview process?
Sounds like if you have an employee referral link to apply, letters of recommendation and you went to OBAP you’ll get an interview if you have

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3000-4000 TT
1000 PIC


Those above numbers are just a wag based on what I’m hearing. I’m not actually privy to what the recruiters are looking for.

Not sure what the interview process is like. I’d be surprised if there is a hogan style screening.

I would also assume there would be thousands applying based on the current state of the industry. Things will change quickly based on UAL and DL hiring picking up, or not.

Good luck.
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Old 08-07-2025 | 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by GoodJet
Some of us are smart enough to not be placated by a paint job that won’t be flown by anyone on our seniority list for many years.
Literally nobody is glossy eyed over a paint job. This is how you demonize people to feel better about the ridiculous stances to take on the company and the pilot group. Nobody thinks the way you think they do.

But your false statement furthers my comment. Leave for another airline. If your life will suck for 10 years no matter what, go to United. In 10 years you'll be a widebody captain there.

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Old 08-07-2025 | 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Jet J
Yes shy that is all we can do. What’s your point?
That’s how the process works. That’s my whole point. Don’t accept mediocrity. Vote no if the TA is sub par. Wright your reps tell them what you want.

What’s the benefit to rush this thing through? So the company can get their cake and eat it too at our expense? I’m going to lose seniority and career progression because of this. Give me some f@&$ing cake too.
But let's stop talking in hyperboles and let's start getting real. What does industry leading mean? What does mediocre mean? What does subpar mean?

These are meaningless buzzwords until somebody. An actually get specific with what you want to see in a JCBA. Oh and make sure that what you're asking, is actually in a section being negotiated during a JCBA.
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