What is everything?

What’s one thing industry standard that you’d refuse to sign unless it was industry leading, excluding as you said pay?


Are you aware of the differences between a JCBA and full on Section 6 negotiation?

 

Again, industry leading doesnt really mean anything. Do you just want the most of everything? Take what everyone else has, make it bigger and slap a yes vote on it? I have no doubt you have real context to the buzzwords but that is really all they are without the context, and they are even more meaningless when said on APC. You writing the reps is perfect.

I remember hearing that rhetoric too during the last merger. So many AS pilots told me that it is one or the other. I don't believe in that logic. We can have our cake and eat it too 100% and there is no excuse this time, that is for sure. I think the reality is that most of us want the same thing but we also need to think of things that are specific to our new emerging airline once this merger is complete. For example, the red herring is the Amazon flying and we need unique and robust language surrounding that entire operation. To me when I hear industry leading, I hear that we want to boiler plate and add 5% to it and I don't think that does us justice.

 

Yes I did, and the JCBA is not touching every section of the contract. That is why it is important to make the distinction. Also, to my knowledge, the same sections were negotiated last time for the VX/AS JCBA.

 

There was no excuse last time, just like there is no excuse this time, I remember being shocked when it passed by as much as it did.

Dude I don’t even know what you’re arguing. This whole forum is meaningless then. As was already pointed out, it’s subjective, industry leading is different (marginally) for everyone, but not really. It’s the sentiment to not cave in and accept less or equal to what others already have that I’m saying needs to be killed.

Most of us know what we’re worth and what a good contract looks like. We knew the last one was sub par. My lack of pontificating on what a good “industry leading” contract is on this forum doesn’t mean people don’t know what a good one looks like. Nor does it render my point meaningless.

 

Harsh reality is you could get a 10% paycut right now and you still wouldn’t give up your left seat or seniority to start over elsewhere.




Contract gains will reflect whatever the current market/economy conditions dictate. Thats how it’s always been. This isn’t 2022/2023 anymore.



Vote no to your hearts content. I do recall you were against the contract extension and pay increases on Sept 1 this year and next. How would that have gone? While all the other airlines would have gotten their pay raise for 2025 and 2026, you would have been left behind and complaining about it here.

 

After listening to your drivel over the last 5 years always in a tone slanted against the pilot group I’m convinced you’re management.

 

That same update also showed that through negotiation a new section of the contract was created to handle schedule construction: section 24.

Why try to sell the pilot group on this being a limited negotiation? Is your shiny jet syndrome really that bad?

 

Can you point to what sections it isn't touching? Because, again, the union emails seem to indicate it is touching everything.

 

What sections, by number, are not being negotiated? Should be easy to provide.

 

You know what, you're right. That is my bad. I just went back and looked. I recant.