Alaska Air Hiring
08-09-2025 | 10:08 AM
#8511
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08-09-2025 | 11:19 AM
#8512
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From: FO Obvious
This is simply not true. The company wants this merger consummated quickly, so they can "realize synergies" or whatever.
08-09-2025 | 11:43 AM
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Geezus dude as others have said so glad you’re not on the NC.
No that would be stupid, it would be an unintentional consequence of the group saying no to the first offer thus delaying the negotiations.
In what industry is saying yes to the first offer ever a great idea on any negotiation unless it’s great. Why would we be any different. Why would the company give us a great first offer when this pilot group has a history of accepting less and taking the first offer.
No that would be stupid, it would be an unintentional consequence of the group saying no to the first offer thus delaying the negotiations.
In what industry is saying yes to the first offer ever a great idea on any negotiation unless it’s great. Why would we be any different. Why would the company give us a great first offer when this pilot group has a history of accepting less and taking the first offer.
The "first" offer that the pilot group (or even the MEC) sees is about the 1000th offer that that company has made. I'm guessing the JNC has been saying no for you pretty much since negotiations started last year.
That's what the survey data is for. If the offer meets the expectations of the survey data (as a whole... not one pilot's crazy issue that nobody else gives a crap about) then that's the offer you'll eventually see. Most pilots generally are pretty reasonable and realistic in what they are willing to accept when they privately respond to the survey questions. It's when they run their mouth on a web forum or in the crew room, that they are (generally) trying to be macho and take an unrealistic position. That said, there are certainly pilots out there who are very disconnected from the world and expect things that no company could ever deliver. There is aways a 10%-20% that is going to vote not because their expectations could never be met.
08-09-2025 | 12:37 PM
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Long ago I did pilot negotiations...
The "first" offer that the pilot group (or even the MEC) sees is about the 1000th offer that that company has made. I'm guessing the JNC has been saying no for you pretty much since negotiations started last year.
That's what the survey data is for. If the offer meets the expectations of the survey data (as a whole... not one pilot's crazy issue that nobody else gives a crap about) then that's the offer you'll eventually see. Most pilots generally are pretty reasonable and realistic in what they are willing to accept when they privately respond to the survey questions. It's when they run their mouth on a web forum or in the crew room, that they are (generally) trying to be macho and take an unrealistic position. That said, there are certainly pilots out there who are very disconnected from the world and expect things that no company could ever deliver. There is aways a 10%-20% that is going to vote not because their expectations could never be met.
The "first" offer that the pilot group (or even the MEC) sees is about the 1000th offer that that company has made. I'm guessing the JNC has been saying no for you pretty much since negotiations started last year.
That's what the survey data is for. If the offer meets the expectations of the survey data (as a whole... not one pilot's crazy issue that nobody else gives a crap about) then that's the offer you'll eventually see. Most pilots generally are pretty reasonable and realistic in what they are willing to accept when they privately respond to the survey questions. It's when they run their mouth on a web forum or in the crew room, that they are (generally) trying to be macho and take an unrealistic position. That said, there are certainly pilots out there who are very disconnected from the world and expect things that no company could ever deliver. There is aways a 10%-20% that is going to vote not because their expectations could never be met.
08-09-2025 | 12:56 PM
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From: FO Obvious
08-09-2025 | 01:19 PM
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Long ago I did pilot negotiations...
The "first" offer that the pilot group (or even the MEC) sees is about the 1000th offer that that company has made. I'm guessing the JNC has been saying no for you pretty much since negotiations started last year.
That's what the survey data is for. If the offer meets the expectations of the survey data (as a whole... not one pilot's crazy issue that nobody else gives a crap about) then that's the offer you'll eventually see. Most pilots generally are pretty reasonable and realistic in what they are willing to accept when they privately respond to the survey questions. It's when they run their mouth on a web forum or in the crew room, that they are (generally) trying to be macho and take an unrealistic position. That said, there are certainly pilots out there who are very disconnected from the world and expect things that no company could ever deliver. There is aways a 10%-20% that is going to vote not because their expectations could never be met.
The "first" offer that the pilot group (or even the MEC) sees is about the 1000th offer that that company has made. I'm guessing the JNC has been saying no for you pretty much since negotiations started last year.
That's what the survey data is for. If the offer meets the expectations of the survey data (as a whole... not one pilot's crazy issue that nobody else gives a crap about) then that's the offer you'll eventually see. Most pilots generally are pretty reasonable and realistic in what they are willing to accept when they privately respond to the survey questions. It's when they run their mouth on a web forum or in the crew room, that they are (generally) trying to be macho and take an unrealistic position. That said, there are certainly pilots out there who are very disconnected from the world and expect things that no company could ever deliver. There is aways a 10%-20% that is going to vote not because their expectations could never be met.
Sorry I’m such a macho posturing key board warrior, asking for a good contract.
BTdubs I talk the same way in person about what I’m willing to accept, and it’s not unrealistic asks.
Also it goes both ways. Theres 10/20% here who would vote yes on anything because “I’m just lucky to be here”.
08-09-2025 | 01:43 PM
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Lol tell that to United on there last Tumi TA vote.
Sorry I’m such a macho posturing key board warrior, asking for a good contract.
BTdubs I talk the same way in person about what I’m willing to accept, and it’s not unrealistic asks.
Also it goes both ways. Theres 10/20% here who would vote yes on anything because “I’m just lucky to be here”.
Sorry I’m such a macho posturing key board warrior, asking for a good contract.
BTdubs I talk the same way in person about what I’m willing to accept, and it’s not unrealistic asks.
Also it goes both ways. Theres 10/20% here who would vote yes on anything because “I’m just lucky to be here”.
08-09-2025 | 01:52 PM
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Doesn’t change the fact that the first offer was not the best. I hope they don't make the same mistake either.
08-09-2025 | 02:58 PM
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From: smoke and spider season
LCC has been a horrible mess at SEA, and now we are having to try and put that toothpaste back in the tube, and the company will of course extract the maximum amount of pain possible to fix it, let alone let us get rid of it.
The 22' contract was a huge improvement in a lot of sections, but the NC gets a big fat "F" from me on bringing LCC into the world. No one clearly sat down and really gamed out how the company would abuse the rule set before agreeing to it. I hope they have a more robust "red team" process for the JCBA.
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