Maybe a review of the actual award would be beneficial. No dog in this hunt, but thought these two links may help. It appears that Eischen (the Arbitrator) did apply ALPA merger policy in his final decision (Google is my friend ).

ALPA policy synopsis

http://www3.alpa.org/LinkClick.aspx?...%3D&tabid=3345

UAL/CAL Eischen award

http://ual.alpa.org/LinkClick.aspx?f...t=aW2PEPbXqsk=

Hope this helps.

S

 

packrat,

virgin didn't fly before 2007. what you are doing is equating the equivalent of doh. doh hasnt been used in any of the recent mergers. first of all making every single vx capt as junior capt is a windfall for alaska. second point is that no bump no flush only works if the 60 airbuses stick around. what if alaska announces replacing the buses with new boeings on a one one ratio. all 60 buses gone and 60 new boeings would mean every vx capt then loses their spot to alaska pilots. alaska hired about 550 pilots 2007-2016 of the 1750 total. your method would put the most senior virgin pilot at about 1200 total on the list which is already junior to the most junior alaska captain. thats a huge windfall and only fair in your eyes or the eyes of another alaska pilot. it won't be straight relative either. most likely its going to be category/class with ratios favoring alaska for the higher longevity and stronger contract they bring to the merger. you can read up on previuos alpa-alpa merger arbitration award. we havent even started yet and you are already calling for a staple of all vx captains on the combined list with a fenced protection on their own airbuses. planes can come and go but seniority is forever so no one is going to sign off on your staple job.

 

Imagine Virgin was formed in 2015 and Alaska immediately bought them. Would there be any argument for their Captains merging in to the Alaska seniority list anywhere but the bottom? 2007 was yesterday in my eyes. DOH would still be a tremendous windfall for Virgin pilots. Whatever the list ends up being, it should include some sort of protection for Alaskas furloughed pilots.

 

doh is a tremendous windfall for virgin pilots. lol. i think in the DSM volume V that is called delusions of grandeur.

 

Well, I have no dog in the fight either. I just think its amusing that 2007 hire VX pilots think they are entitled to be put on the list next to 1985 AS hires. Entitled being the operative word.

 

Where are you getting this from Pack? I know many 2007 hires at VA....not a single one of them are EXPECTING anything and are far from feeling entitled. If anyone is acting entitled I would say it is you. You sound very paranoid.....maybe for a good reason.
Aint ****e you can do about it anyway except for making your feelings known to your MEC and let them take it from there.

 

Well if the VA MEC doesn't offer straight relative position, and the ALK MEC doesn't offer straight DOH, I'd be shocked. That would be like a lawyer going to court and offering to concede half the case to the court.

If ALPA were smart they'd make future mergers "baseball style" arbitrations, (wherein each party puts forth an integration and the mediator just picks one or the other, no changes) that would force both sides to make strategic concessions in their own proposals before presenting to a negotiator for fear of getting put out to pasture by the mediator. Then each sides MEC would at least set a reasonable expectation in their membership.

The way it works now, each side shoots for the moon and tries to justify their position and it serves to pit the two groups at odds for years to come.

 

Bugaboo,

When the Rat says he has no dog in the fight, he means it. He no longer works at AS.

 

packrat where did you go? is attrition to another airline something that happens at alaska. thats not something i thought would happen much for a carrier such as this.

 

Gangta... Could you please post those year by year hiring numbers for VX? I posted the Alaska numbers as a courtesy, could you please do the same? Thanks!