It’s real simple, and after I explain it to you I think even you will understand. The Union presents the sections the mediator tells them to be prepared with. That’s it.

All these ridiculous assumptions here when all you have to do is pick up the phone, dial someone from the committee, ask them.

What makes anyone think the Mediator has put the union on Ice. The way that would typically happen if they where not following the Mediator directions like not being prepared for the sections asked for. It does not matter if both sides are far apart or if the company does not like the proposals or lack of proposals. If they union has not been asked to be prepared for those sections they are not in any vilotation of the process. The company does not get to set the schedule the Mediator does. The company could meet with the union outside Mediation as the Union has said they are willing to do and they could likely have those conversations. It is hard to confince me the company truly wants a deal soon and one we will be proud of and then will not meet without the mediator. Then everything pumped through their people in training is to try and convince the pilot group that they really should not expect to get what everone else gets.

This thread has been going around in circles for
basically 3 years now. I wonder how many more it will keep going? You couldn’t make up this level of a sh** show if you tried!! I still think there is zero interest on the company side for a deal. Why would they do it? Staffing isn’t an issue, and even if it was they can just go down the road that they started to explore before the hiring spooled down anyway. Make this place the new regional of choice. Hire CFI’s…get them a fresh 320 or 737 type…and let them bail when they want. Some will grow fond enough of the schedule to stay, but most won’t. Either way, they get to pay the cheapest rates possible and still have a steady pipeline of people to fly the jets.

Sooooo, the reason we don’t have dates is specifically because the union did NOT present the comprehensive that the mediator told them to. That’s why we don’t have dates.

I am making some assumptions but after calling around I am very confident this is what happened. Ask our reps if the mediator told them to present scope, comp, etc and read between the lines.

Of course management doesn’t want to get a deal done. The problem is our union has screwed up these negotiations every step of the way.

We are no where close to being released because the union won’t even do what the mediator says. The union is trying to delay these negotiations so GU can consolidate power. He knows that once these negotiations are done the ALPA drive will start to pickup steam real quick and the IBT will very likely be kicked to the curb.

Now with Trump in the white house we don’t even have the threat of being released. Once he appoints his anti labor republicans to the DOL and NMB we are screwed.

My thoughts exactly I believe your info is correct we're being told lies of omission by the union & I believe with the current trusteeship structure we have no way to recall & replace the nc or GU so we're stuck.

Oh there’s a way. It just hasn’t gained much traction yet. How’s that criminal case going against the former EXCO? Oh yeah, it was all smoke and mirrors to make the IBT look like tough guys.

This guy gets it. Around and around it goes.

I say there won't be a contract at G4 before the next legacy cycle because neither union nor management really wants one. The GU/CG/JR posse are as corrupt as AB and are doing what's doing best for themselves and IBT not you. What they want is to keep this company on life support long enough for the senior to retire and keep IBT in power and collecting dues. O'Brien is in Trump's back pocket. Headwinds are blowing strong against organized labor. The company is hemmoraging cash with the hotel in the swamp that shockingly nobody wants to pay $300/night to stay at and Spirit is going TU. All of this means not likely to pry that clam in Maury's back pocket open any time soon.

The last gasp of legacy hiring kicks off in January and will run through maybe May or June. This is your last chance to hop off the carousel. No ragrets here.

Wake up and smell the coffee. Y'all are deep in denial.

Well its been a good run.

There isn't anyone that should support an NC that doesn't have a clue what they are doing. Saying you don't want to negotiate rates because the 'company already knows what industry standard means' is almost as clueless as those saying the mediator won't allow it. Seems like a lot of first timers in here, or those that just won't acknowledge the facts. Simple accounting dictates that in order for a contract to be ratified all terms must be defined and cost out to compile the total final expenditure of the contract. Meaning very specifically items in the scheduling section must have their proper cost associated with it in order to accept any deal. The NC/Union are playing games and dragging their feet at the cost of their pilots. It isn't the mediator that is preventing this at all, it's just bad representation getting spanked at the table over and over again. And yes, before anyone decides to point out that is what the company is currently doing to stall, you are correct but the union is actively helping them by wasting time.

You can stand in a circular firing squad and blame absolutely anybody you want. You can blame the NMB, the RLA, the mediator, the company, or AR. You can blame the billion dollar hotel in a swamp. You can blame an election, or politics, or the economy, or annoymous posts on a message board. OR, you can point out that the Toonsters took over your union with no election, no plan (cept to bilk the local) and no intention of letting anyone voice their opinions. Nice dog and pony show....that's it.