Allegiant Air
04-17-2015 | 05:54 AM
#2521
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So you're the guy who was sitting on the "left" side of the courtroom. You are obviously clueless or were sleeping during the proceedings. It was plain as day today how horribly run Allegiant is and how they are NOT following the current PWA. Had nothing to do with how many hours one is working or how many days off they get.
Did you overlook how they have run ramshod over the pilot on LTD for over 3 years without paying her disability payments per PWA?
CA Wells was spot on in his testimony about deceiving Allegiants illegal "PBS" was regarding Seniority, Transparency, and Predictability. Did you see the judge address him directly and asked what the union ultimately wanted? The return to the current PWA as it is written, nothing more, nothing less. Did you see the judge writing that down?
Sorry Gordo, or whatever "plant" you are trying to make yourself out to be (did you really make all those carrier landings?). Allegiant will not get the injunction, and they will be required to return to line bidding in short order.
Did you overlook how they have run ramshod over the pilot on LTD for over 3 years without paying her disability payments per PWA?
CA Wells was spot on in his testimony about deceiving Allegiants illegal "PBS" was regarding Seniority, Transparency, and Predictability. Did you see the judge address him directly and asked what the union ultimately wanted? The return to the current PWA as it is written, nothing more, nothing less. Did you see the judge writing that down?
Sorry Gordo, or whatever "plant" you are trying to make yourself out to be (did you really make all those carrier landings?). Allegiant will not get the injunction, and they will be required to return to line bidding in short order.
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04-17-2015 | 02:35 PM
#2522
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From: Da Bus
Hmm. a first year FO at Allegiant with a family of 4 is only $216 away from qualifying for food stamps.
Eligibility | Food and Nutrition Service
Eligibility | Food and Nutrition Service
04-17-2015 | 03:38 PM
#2523
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From: MD80
Hmm. a first year FO at Allegiant with a family of 4 is only $216 away from qualifying for food stamps.
Eligibility | Food and Nutrition Service
Eligibility | Food and Nutrition Service
04-17-2015 | 08:02 PM
#2524
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From: Off to the left!
I generally stay off and comment little on here because of the several vocal individuals that merely attack in the event there is an alternative opinion. I will however comment this evening. In my opinion.....the honorable judge Gordon will rule that Allegiant is correct, and the pilots will be enjoined from a strike or job action. It was clear that Allegiant was a better opponent in the courtroom today. The reality appeared as though Allegiant has made every attempt to satisfy the past order, and the pilots are simply not accepting the result. What is the result? Allegiant wants pilots to work as much as possible, for as little pay in overtime as possible. Get ready.........they're right! There is no legal standing that says a company can't work it's employees to maximum hours per week, day, hour, etc. The mistake made so far by the teamsters (ut oh, here comes the naysayers)....is that they say pilots didn't have to work 20 days per month before, and the evil management makes the pilots work more days per month now!
Allegiant has testified they have a system that has indeed changed, but in the interest of profit; makes pilots work more days per month than they want. What is the teamsters response?!?! We don't want our pilots to work that much! They didn't need to before!
Really?? Guess what? Company needs will always outweigh employee wishes. So as the attacks roll in...I'll ask.
What LAW prohibits a company from reducing an employees number of days off? Oh wait......without a 4 corners contract in place! (Don't give baseless attacks. Simply list the legal code, and maybe you can educate our legal counsel) the answer is.....? Oh wait, there is NO LAW that prohibits a company from making you work, days, nights, weekends, holidays, etc, up to the state mandate of minimum wage guidelines. We make more than minimum wage, therefore.......no lawsuit against more workdays per month will stand!
Lets hope the NMB is given something more than......"we don't like MG and we think we deserve more"! This argument will fail at every level.
My take in court today?! We don't win this. MG does, and we'd better get better with the NMB, or the future is only bright for the shareholders. (Stock is going up while we whine in court).
Lastly, the next time you need to get home, because of........whatever. DON'T! Just let the FAA help. If there needs to be a write up, then write it up! There are far too many Captains (yes you) who say you are just looking out for the FA's and FO's and since Allegiant is known for no overnights, no one is prepared to stay out. GET AN OVERNIGHT BAG! Oh.... You have child care?, a kids baseball game? Tough!!! Those of you who don't write it up at the out station are causing harm to the reality of Allegiant. Maybe we've all done it, but it's time to change.
It's not a job action if the FAA backs you!
Allegiant has testified they have a system that has indeed changed, but in the interest of profit; makes pilots work more days per month than they want. What is the teamsters response?!?! We don't want our pilots to work that much! They didn't need to before!
Really?? Guess what? Company needs will always outweigh employee wishes. So as the attacks roll in...I'll ask.
What LAW prohibits a company from reducing an employees number of days off? Oh wait......without a 4 corners contract in place! (Don't give baseless attacks. Simply list the legal code, and maybe you can educate our legal counsel) the answer is.....? Oh wait, there is NO LAW that prohibits a company from making you work, days, nights, weekends, holidays, etc, up to the state mandate of minimum wage guidelines. We make more than minimum wage, therefore.......no lawsuit against more workdays per month will stand!
Lets hope the NMB is given something more than......"we don't like MG and we think we deserve more"! This argument will fail at every level.
My take in court today?! We don't win this. MG does, and we'd better get better with the NMB, or the future is only bright for the shareholders. (Stock is going up while we whine in court).
Lastly, the next time you need to get home, because of........whatever. DON'T! Just let the FAA help. If there needs to be a write up, then write it up! There are far too many Captains (yes you) who say you are just looking out for the FA's and FO's and since Allegiant is known for no overnights, no one is prepared to stay out. GET AN OVERNIGHT BAG! Oh.... You have child care?, a kids baseball game? Tough!!! Those of you who don't write it up at the out station are causing harm to the reality of Allegiant. Maybe we've all done it, but it's time to change.
It's not a job action if the FAA backs you!
However, having dealt with and worked with a lot of our management people, they don't inspire confidence in how they think and how they operate. I know for a face the latest iteration of the scheduling program included precisely zero input from the pilots. No matter what they call it, the schedules are still awarded using an excel spread sheet in a haphazard fashion.
In the first court hearing last year, the company managed to convince the judge they couldn't operate without using Merlot. The judge, knowing nothing about aviation, took them at their word. The problem is, they hadn't been using Merlot to award schedules for several months leading up to that hearing. Since that time, the company has done nothing to comply with that ruling in regards to how schedules are made and awarded. Believe me, I used to be involved in the process, and it took months before they actually admitted how it was done. Which side will win? Who knows. It's up to the judge and he can do whatever he wants (within reason).
I do agree with you though, that people need to stop carrying maintenance items until they get back to base. If it's broken, write it up. Who cares what they try to talk you in to doing. Both the GOM and the FAA will back you up for making a logbook entry for a mechanical problem. It's time to stop verbally passing items on to the next captain, and write it up when it breaks.
04-17-2015 | 08:29 PM
#2525
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May schedules are out... Multiple instances of seniority not being honored (again) even with CBI. Don't know what Gordo is talking about... I don't want more days off. I just want to be awarded a schedule commensurate with my seniority. Line bidding would increase transparency, predictability, and honor seniority in a way that this mockery of a pref bid never could. Company should be obligated to honor the status quo while we negotiate our new contract, period. It is not that the solver is too complex for the pilots to understand... The problem is that we don't have any visibility on other people's preferences, so it is far too easy for the company to mess up the bid and blame it on the solver's algorithm. There is no accountability, and that has to change.
04-19-2015 | 06:14 PM
#2526
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did this last bid honor seniority, and was it transparent and predictable?
the answer is no
that's all that matters
the answer is no
that's all that matters
04-19-2015 | 06:45 PM
#2527
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From: A320 CA
I do agree with you though, that people need to stop carrying maintenance items until they get back to base. If it's broken, write it up. Who cares what they try to talk you in to doing. Both the GOM and the FAA will back you up for making a logbook entry for a mechanical problem. It's time to stop verbally passing items on to the next captain, and write it up when it breaks.
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04-20-2015 | 04:38 AM
#2528
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I do agree with you though, that people need to stop carrying maintenance items until they get back to base. If it's broken, write it up. Who cares what they try to talk you in to doing. Both the GOM and the FAA will back you up for making a logbook entry for a mechanical problem. It's time to stop verbally passing items on to the next captain, and write it up when it breaks.[/QUOTE]
I am surprised in this day and age anyone would carry a write up to a maintenance station or pass on a verbal. The FAA considers that falsification of the logbook and a intentional violation not covered under any amnesty program. You also put the crew getting the verbal in jeopardy unless they write in the logbook "per outgoing crew verbal XXX inop." I would ask the outgoing crew if they want to write it up or want you to put the above in the book.
I am surprised in this day and age anyone would carry a write up to a maintenance station or pass on a verbal. The FAA considers that falsification of the logbook and a intentional violation not covered under any amnesty program. You also put the crew getting the verbal in jeopardy unless they write in the logbook "per outgoing crew verbal XXX inop." I would ask the outgoing crew if they want to write it up or want you to put the above in the book.
04-22-2015 | 12:02 PM
#2529
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Well, the people that keep trying to carry things back to base might want to be cognizant of the fact that the FAA is rumored to be on high alert and keeping an eye on things and may be looking over your shoulder to see how things actually are being done.
Also, if you have a true emergency then declare an emergency. What is the reasoning behind people being afraid to declare an emergency when they truly have one? Is it to protect the company? Is it to try and keep it all a secret? I have heard so many stories about losing engines or something like that and then the pilots say that they felt uneasy declaring an emergency, so they didn't. This makes no sense to me, get ATC and everyone you can to help you make a safe landing for you and your passengers!
Also, if you have a true emergency then declare an emergency. What is the reasoning behind people being afraid to declare an emergency when they truly have one? Is it to protect the company? Is it to try and keep it all a secret? I have heard so many stories about losing engines or something like that and then the pilots say that they felt uneasy declaring an emergency, so they didn't. This makes no sense to me, get ATC and everyone you can to help you make a safe landing for you and your passengers!
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