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Old 04-29-2015, 09:10 AM
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Just for quick reference...


ALGT Executive Compensation up 32.74% in 1 year (2012-2013...2014 not reported yet)

Total Exec. Comp (all positions)
2010 - $2.73 mil
2011 - $4.70 mil
2012 - $7.00 mil
2013 - $9.29 mil

Andrew C. Levy - President & COO
2010 - $1,040,195
2011 - $1,515,020
2012 - $1,910,910
2013 - $5,207,042

ALGT Allegiant Travel Co LLC Executive Compensation
Careful here, this is entitlement mentality. Knock it off. It's never about what you think you deserve, its what you negotiate. You guys either will or will not negotiate a better contract, that's up to you. You can always start your own airline and pay the pilots whatever you want.
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Old 04-29-2015, 09:12 AM
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I actually expect them to give the dispatchers a few shiny, pretty things at first just to "show the pilots and F/A's that not having a union is the smart thing to do". Then when that mileage plays out they will bend them over and give it to them hard!
Lol, some people like that sort of thing.
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Old 04-29-2015, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by tom11011 View Post
Careful here, this is entitlement mentality. Knock it off. It's never about what you think you deserve, its what you negotiate. You guys either will or will not negotiate a better contract, that's up to you. You can always start your own airline and pay the pilots whatever you want.
I could be wrong, but I don't think the poster has anything to do with AAY. He was just posting executive compensation rates.

As for one of your prior posts, when someone said we deserved the pay raise mentioned last week and you said that was entitlement mentality, no-it was a contract agreed to by management and upheld by the Federal Courts. No one was whining and saying "we deserve that, it's ours and therefore not just a gift" just because we think we deserve it and have an entitlement mentality. It's a negotiated contractual rate.

I don't think the AAY pilots are looking at pay rates as the huge issue here. Obviously increased pay rates would be great, but safety and QOL are the issues that seem to be on the minds of every pilot I talk to.

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Old 04-29-2015, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Uncle Wurmy View Post
I could be wrong, but I don't think the poster has anything to do with AAY. He was just posting executive compensation rates.

As for one of your prior posts, when someone said we deserved the pay raise mentioned last week and you said that was entitlement mentality, no-it was a contract agreed to by management and upheld by the Federal Courts. No one was whining and saying "we deserve that, it's ours and therefore not just a gift" just because we think we deserve it and have an entitlement mentality. It's a negotiated contractual rate.

I don't think the AAY pilots are looking at pay rates as the huge issue here. Obviously increased pay rates would be great, but safety and QOL are the issues that seem to be on the minds of every pilot I talk to.
I agree that you deserve what you negotiated. And I hope you guys get the best possible outcome in your current and future contract.
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Old 04-29-2015, 09:26 AM
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I agree that you deserve what you negotiated. And I hope you guys get the best possible outcome in your current and future contract.
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Old 04-29-2015, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by tom11011 View Post
Careful here, this is entitlement mentality.
I disagree. Unless you are talking about the executives, that is (which you weren't).

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Knock it off.
LOL

No.

In fact, I will continue to track and post airline executive compensation every time there is new information to post, especially as long as the trends in the graph below remain unchanged. It has nothing to do with "entitlement mentality", unless you are a senior exec. of course. We can clearly see WHO the entitlement-minded folks are in this graph, and it's sure as hell not the flight crews.

Funny how the rise in exec. compensation has far out-paced any increase in corp. profitability. So, no, even THAT argument/explanation falls flat.


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Old 04-29-2015, 09:50 AM
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Why don't you just become a CEO yourself ? That way you can have the income you so crave.
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Old 04-29-2015, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by SayAlt View Post
I disagree. Unless you are talking about the executives, that is (which you weren't).



LOL

No.

In fact, I will continue to track and post airline executive compensation every time there is new information to post, especially as long as the trends in the graph below remain unchanged. It has nothing to do with "entitlement mentality", unless you are a senior exec. of course. We can clearly see WHO the entitlement-minded folks are in this graph, and it's sure as hell not the flight crews.

Funny how the rise in exec. compensation has far out-paced any increase in corp. profitability. So, no, even THAT argument/explanation falls flat.


It's none of your business what your executives make. I hope they make a billion dollars more next year. Your concern is what you are going to make, what you negotiate, what you will or will not accept. Your reaction is like being on welfare and complaining that its not enough, the working people need to work harder to give you more.
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Old 04-29-2015, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by tom11011 View Post
But let's not resort to welfare with our entitlement philosophies.
Originally Posted by tom11011 View Post
Careful here, this is entitlement mentality. Knock it off. It's never about what you think you deserve, its what you negotiate. You guys either will or will not negotiate a better contract, that's up to you. You can always start your own airline and pay the pilots whatever you want.
I’m certain he was referring to our generation of American corporate welfare ‘1’ percenters, exhibited by our management’s wealth entitlement mentality. To which our current pay bump is a contractual status quo requirement, that was previously negotiated by our former representatives.

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Originally Posted by SayAlt View Post
I disagree. Unless you are talking about the executives, that is (which you weren't).



LOL

No.

In fact, I will continue to track and post airline executive compensation every time there is new information to post, especially as long as the trends in the graph below remain unchanged. It has nothing to do with "entitlement mentality", unless you are a senior exec. of course. We can clearly see WHO the entitlement-minded folks are in this graph, and it's sure as hell not the flight crews.

Funny how the rise in exec. compensation has far out-paced any increase in corp. profitability. So, no, even THAT argument/explanation falls flat.


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Old 04-29-2015, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by toiletpaper View Post
Why don't you just become a CEO yourself ? That way you can have the income you so crave.
Your user name fits your post well, sir. Good pick!


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It's none of your business what executives make.
As long as it is a publicly held company, I disagree. So does the SEC. Go argue with them and tell them to stop it. You already have my answer. And we all know what the SEC's will be, too.

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Your reaction is like being on welfare and complaining that its not enough, the working people need to work harder to give you more.
A comical and utterly inaccurate analogy.

Fact is, WORKING people are effectively on welfare (esp. 1-4 yr FOs)....highly qualified, licensed, and hard-working people at that. ESPECIALLY relative to corp. profits and exec. salaries!

My position is that if the exec. suite is entitled to profit sharing and/or bonuses related to profitability, so are all the WORKING employees of that publicly traded company. Equally.

Here's a thought for you...

One wrong move by an airline CEO can bring down the profitability and stock price of the company, right?

Guess what?

So can any single flight crew flying the line.

So who really should mean more to the company on a day-to-day basis??

Originally Posted by tom11011 View Post
It's none of your business what your executives make. I hope they make a billion dollars more next year. Your concern is what you are going to make, what you negotiate, what you will or will not accept.
You're not a union rep. by any chance, are you Tom?

If you are/were, a lot of things would make more sense.


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I’m certain he was referring to our generation of American corporate welfare ‘1’ percenters, exhibited by our management’s wealth entitlement mentality. To which our current pay bump is a contractual status quo requirement, that was previously negotiated by our former representatives.
Exactly. Thank you.

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