Your user name fits your post well, sir. Good pick!


As long as it is a publicly held company, I disagree. So does the SEC. Go argue with them and tell them to stop it. You already have my answer. And we all know what the SEC's will be, too.

A comical and utterly inaccurate analogy.

Fact is, WORKING people are effectively on welfare (esp. 1-4 yr FOs)....highly qualified, licensed, and hard-working people at that. ESPECIALLY relative to corp. profits and exec. salaries!

My position is that if the exec. suite is entitled to profit sharing and/or bonuses related to profitability, so are all the WORKING employees of that publicly traded company. Equally.

Here's a thought for you...

One wrong move by an airline CEO can bring down the profitability and stock price of the company, right?

Guess what?

So can any single flight crew flying the line.

So who really should mean more to the company on a day-to-day basis??

You're not a union rep. by any chance, are you Tom?

If you are/were, a lot of things would make more sense.


Exactly. Thank you.

 

The executive suite is entitled to what they have simply because its either their company to do with as they please -or- the owners of the company are giving them the money as they see fit.

The fact that one wrong move by a pilot can bring the company down has nothing to do with your level of compensation. It has everything to do with your level of professionalism which I am now starting to really question. You've basically now moved from entitlement/welfare to robbery. Why don't you just hold a gun to their face.

I'll say it again. You are entitled to NOTHING. You deserve NOTHING. Tell me something, how much will be enough to satisfy you? At what point is the company a bunch of good guys?

If you don't like where you work you change jobs like everyone else, or you start your own company, or you negotiate in good faith. And if you do start your own company with your hard earned dollars, sweat, and tears, I sure hope you don't have someone like yourself telling you exactly what you should be doing and what you should be paying them.

Hey, don't get me wrong, I hope you guys negotiate a whole bunch of money. I think somehow, someway, the concept of capitalism is lost on you. It's the American way you know.

 

I will say I've always found it curious/amusing that folks have their 401k's & they have charts and alerts and they're tracking their balances all the time, changing funds, etc.... Yet somehow the execs. at the company they work for are supposed to play by different rules than the execs. at companies in their portfolio? They're somehow shocked that their company is focused on shareholder equity?

 

Ignoring most of the unsubstantiated and frankly hilarious BS in your previous post, I've already addressed this question...

What part of this are you having trouble understanding?


Also.......


I agree. As long as we're talking about PRIVATELY HELD companies.

But we're not. We're talking about publicly traded companies.

 

Like a master with a recalcitrant student, I linger in hopes of redeeming you. Why don't we take some money out of your paycheck and give it to the employees who make less money than you do.

 

Stocks are for suckers. Esp. these days.

Cash-flowing real estate has always been (and always will be) where it's at.

Btw, whoever said that "the execs. at the company they work for are supposed to play by different rules than the execs. at companies in their portfolio"? I haven't seen one person make that argument.

 

Please, by all means, "redeem" me. Just do it with logic, sound debate, and no insults.

So far, all we've heard is:
"YOU ARE ENTITLED TO NOTHING" (never said I was).
"YOU DESERVE NOTHING" (never said I did)

...but since I'm at it, yes, all professional pilots DESERVE fair compensation to the level of responsibility and risk we are tasked with managing. Which, on a day-to-day basis, is arguably comparable to any senior level exec....and I would argue more, as our mistakes could actually kill people, not just affect co. stock price and/or profitability.

 

If America's version of "capitalism" continues unabated, we won't need to have this discussion in the future because the middle class (those who actually fly on our airlines) won't exist anymore, and neither will these companies and all of their executives. We either need to have a completely free market or a heavily regulated one with a level playing field. This in-between garbage is going to bury us all.

What am I talking about?

-Selective government bailouts propping up poorly (and sometimes criminally) run corporations

-The RLA which severely limits the rights of labor in the transportation industry.

-Lobbyists for special interests influencing legislation that is heavily tilted on the side of big money.

I agree that we are not entitled to anything and we must negotiate for everything. Unfortunately, the system is rigged in favor of business and severely limits the methods and leverage available to negotiate such gains.

And the worst perpetrators? Ourselves. We could all quit tomorrow and there would be young starry-eyed pilots chomping at the bit to take our places. This leaves little incentive to negotiate. However, all of this posturing is getting Wall Street's attention, which may be their only motivation other than a complete work stoppage.

 

That's what mgmt ̶w̶a̶n̶t̶s̶ NEEDS you to think.

This isn't 2001 anymore.

 

[QUOTE=SayAlt;1870725]Your user name fits your post well, sir. Good pick!


As to my user name, it was chosen in an effort to capture my opinion, of many of the whining post that plague this forums.

Now...

Tom is correct. What a CEO makes is not any more of your business, than your salary is the business, of say, the crew that cleans the airplane. I don't see them posting charts of pilot's income.

You, Sir, would be well advise to focus your efforts towards negotiating a more favorable contract, rather than wasting energy and time researching and posting what other people make. It is utterly irrelevant to your objective, and frankly, comes across, as a little envious and immature.

Personally, I hope you can make $ 1,000000000.00 a year. It has no reflection on me, or what I make. See the point?

Don't have the time or inclination to engage in a long discussion. Was just expressing an opinion. Have a nice day.