globalexpress

What's the latest on the injunction (or whatever it was) that prevented the status-quo violation strike?

GordoCooper

I generally stay off and comment little on here because of the several vocal individuals that merely attack in the event there is an alternative opinion. I will however comment this evening. In my opinion.....the honorable judge Gordon will rule that Allegiant is correct, and the pilots will be enjoined from a strike or job action. It was clear that Allegiant was a better opponent in the courtroom today. The reality appeared as though Allegiant has made every attempt to satisfy the past order, and the pilots are simply not accepting the result. What is the result? Allegiant wants pilots to work as much as possible, for as little pay in overtime as possible. Get ready.........they're right! There is no legal standing that says a company can't work it's employees to maximum hours per week, day, hour, etc. The mistake made so far by the teamsters (ut oh, here comes the naysayers)....is that they say pilots didn't have to work 20 days per month before, and the evil management makes the pilots work more days per month now!

Allegiant has testified they have a system that has indeed changed, but in the interest of profit; makes pilots work more days per month than they want. What is the teamsters response?!?! We don't want our pilots to work that much! They didn't need to before!

Really?? Guess what? Company needs will always outweigh employee wishes. So as the attacks roll in...I'll ask.

What LAW prohibits a company from reducing an employees number of days off? Oh wait......without a 4 corners contract in place! (Don't give baseless attacks. Simply list the legal code, and maybe you can educate our legal counsel) the answer is.....? Oh wait, there is NO LAW that prohibits a company from making you work, days, nights, weekends, holidays, etc, up to the state mandate of minimum wage guidelines. We make more than minimum wage, therefore.......no lawsuit against more workdays per month will stand!

Lets hope the NMB is given something more than......"we don't like MG and we think we deserve more"! This argument will fail at every level.

My take in court today?! We don't win this. MG does, and we'd better get better with the NMB, or the future is only bright for the shareholders. (Stock is going up while we whine in court).

Lastly, the next time you need to get home, because of........whatever. DON'T! Just let the FAA help. If there needs to be a write up, then write it up! There are far too many Captains (yes you) who say you are just looking out for the FA's and FO's and since Allegiant is known for no overnights, no one is prepared to stay out. GET AN OVERNIGHT BAG! Oh.... You have child care?, a kids baseball game? Tough!!! Those of you who don't write it up at the out station are causing harm to the reality of Allegiant. Maybe we've all done it, but it's time to change.

It's not a job action if the FAA backs you!

crxpilot

My prediction after hearing testimony and judges comments: Allegiant will NOT be granted an injunction against the union to strike. Along with that concurrently the judge will amend the july 2014 preliminary injunction to immediately return back to line bidding.

Having said all that, did anyone catch the judge ever address whether Norris Laguardia Act prevents the court from interfering in status quo strikes? I know on day 1 he mentioned he hoped he would not have to rule on that.

GordoCooper

This case is for a TRO, not Norris LGA. The case? Is a TRO in the best interest of Allegiant? Why is this the question? because AAY brought forward the case. If so, in other words, if it is in the best interest to maintain a restraint against a strike; AAY wins.....if the 'evidence' doesn't support a continuation of a TRO date, then the pilots win, and the TRO expires. Doubtful from what I think. Hope I'm wrong!

crxpilot

So you're the guy who was sitting on the "left" side of the courtroom. You are obviously clueless or were sleeping during the proceedings. It was plain as day today how horribly run Allegiant is and how they are NOT following the current PWA. Had nothing to do with how many hours one is working or how many days off they get.
Did you overlook how they have run ramshod over the pilot on LTD for over 3 years without paying her disability payments per PWA?
CA Wells was spot on in his testimony about deceiving Allegiants illegal "PBS" was regarding Seniority, Transparency, and Predictability. Did you see the judge address him directly and asked what the union ultimately wanted? The return to the current PWA as it is written, nothing more, nothing less. Did you see the judge writing that down?

Sorry Gordo, or whatever "plant" you are trying to make yourself out to be (did you really make all those carrier landings?). Allegiant will not get the injunction, and they will be required to return to line bidding in short order.

GordoCooper

Thanks for confirming the attack. I wish our government would predict as well as I did. As I said.....just my thoughts today. Yours are different, yet you decide to attack. Great comeback ref carrier landings. I offered my take, and your high level well educated response spouts ignorance. I've been on a carrier........but, in what capacity?! I'll leave that to your trivial pursuit of tactfulness.

grnclvrs

Maybe he got a little hostile, excusable with the pressure that is on right now. My take from reading the info put out by maverick and the IBT, I wasn't in the courtroom, is that there were some untruths spoken in testimony. I don't know of any pilot that got paid time and a half for trips at the start of the month under line bidding. Doing roadshows on Tuesdays that tell me how the "solver" works does nothing for me except reduce my days off. Knowing how the "solver" works doesn't tell me that a guy junior to me won't get the trip I bid for. Knowing how the "solver" works does not give transparency to the bid process. I am surprised though that JB was allowed to get away with these statements during testimony.

tyler durden

I was not in the court room to witness the proceedings but heard from someone who was the testimony went well for the pilots. I know there are a lot if legal details that lawyers and judges see and interpret that go well outside my understanding. There were a lot of pilot opinions during last summer's trial that went both ways. In the end, to the surprise of many the judge ruled in our favor. They may be surprised again, maybe not. I am neither a lawyer, nor a soothsayer so I will leave it for Judge Gordon to decide. Better to be patient and wait than sacrifice credibility trying to predict the unpredictable.

tyler durden

Win or lose in court, one thing is for sure is that our reps and the IBT have sent clear notice that pilots have had it with management's arrogant neglect and careless dismissal. They are getting hit with withering attacks from every angle and are showing signs of buckling. Press, FAA oversight, court hearings, fighting off a strike, etc. We warned them but they were smarter than those stupid pilots. Now management and everyone around them, media, public, investors, FAA, NMB, are all seeing what Allegiant employees and passengers have been dealing with. They are also aware of the fact they will no longer be able to brush us aside year after year at the bargaining table looking at the 15-year plan. What they don't realize is how much this is going to cost them now versus what it would've cost had they been reasonable two years ago.

Hopefully the company is beginning to realize it would have been SO much easier and cheaper to work with us than pi$$ us off treating us like cattle.

tyler durden

Maybe Ol' 'Gordo' isn't a guy....