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Old 04-16-2015 | 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by disco inferno
An industry leading contract will make up for quite a bit of managerial failings. I'm curious which airline management you know of that isn't scum. It's been my experience thus far that being a dirtbag is an essential requirement of being an airline CEO. Jeff Smiesek, Doug Parker, Richard Anderson, Ben Baldanza ect ect are all profit driven animals that will step on anyone's neck they have to in order to raise the stock price a penny.

Management will push a work group as far as they are able. It is up to an individual pilot group to demonstrate there will be consequences and repercussions for their shenanigans.
I agree to a point, however if you talk to pilots at SWA, DL, UA, etc, most will tell you that management doesn't play games with their contract (I'm sure there are some exceptions). These CEO's, while profit-driven, realize that it costs more in the long run to mess with your employees. If and when we get a new contract, I foresee a "fly it and grieve it" attitude coming from our management. A leopard doesn't change his spots.

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Old 04-16-2015 | 07:31 AM
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Having been in the industry a long time I think I can say the grass on the other side is overrated.....ask a Airways pilot how long their grievance list is....."fly now grieve later"....
Old 04-16-2015 | 07:54 AM
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I think we are dealing with semantics. Yes, allegiant will be a better place with a contract. Will it be a "great place to work"? Some may disagree, but I don't see allegiant ever being a great place to work with our management. Companies with Balanced, or employee – centered cultures are great places to work. Allegiant is a soul sucking, profit at all cost company that has no soul. Even a great contract doesn't stop you from operating airplanes that are chronically under maintained and working without resources and support.
Old 04-16-2015 | 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by tyler durden
A contract alone ain't gonna make Allegiant a great place to work. It'll take new management with ethics and integrity who can bring a different approach to how business is conducted and people are treated. Otherwise it's still a get rich scheme
where corners are cut everywhere.
The shareholders do not want to hear anything about that.
Old 04-16-2015 | 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by tyler durden
Even a great contract doesn't stop you from operating airplanes that are chronically under maintained and working without resources and support.
That must reflect more on the 80 side of things. The Airbus doesn't have many MEL or MX issues.
Old 04-16-2015 | 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by disco inferno
That must reflect more on the 80 side of things. The Airbus doesn't have many MEL or MX issues.
I'm not on the bus, but that's contrary to what I'm hearing. Either way, any reliability you're experiencing is due to the aircraft itself, not some dramatic shift in Mx culture from one fleet to the next.
Old 04-16-2015 | 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by CLMP
I'm not on the bus, but that's contrary to what I'm hearing. Either way, any reliability you're experiencing is due to the aircraft itself, not some dramatic shift in Mx culture from one fleet to the next.
It's on all fleets. The safety culture here is nonexistent. Read the TAMC reports...its deplorable. What does it say when numerous pilots won't put their family and friends on our planes? That's part of the top down culture change that needs to happen.
Old 04-16-2015 | 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by disco inferno
That must reflect more on the 80 side of things. The Airbus doesn't have many MEL or MX issues.
I can't speak for the airbus, but I know the same thing was said about the 757s before Allegiant had time to run them into the dirt because of inadequate maintenance. It goes beyond maintenance though. All support elements, including training, dispatch, manuals, scheduling, ramp, customer service are all horribly underfunded and experience crazy turnover because of crappy pay and frustration. Pilots will deal with that, facing certificate action, every day, contract or not.
Old 04-16-2015 | 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by disco inferno
That must reflect more on the 80 side of things. The Airbus doesn't have many MEL or MX issues.
I beg to differ. I'm on RSV for the 80 and I can't tell you how many times I've been called out for a rescue because an Airbus broke down.
Old 04-16-2015 | 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by disco inferno
That must reflect more on the 80 side of things. The Airbus doesn't have many MEL or MX issues.
Obviously you haven't been flying in the same Airbus that I have. There's one in particular that had the same MEL on and off and on again for several months. Of course, maintenance "fixed it" all the time, but somehow the same exact thing broke on the very next flight. Curious.....
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