Is Allegiant currently hiring pilots
03-04-2014 | 03:15 PM
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Wise choice.
The time will come when our management recognizes what pilots bring to the table and alternatively the hornets nest they create when disrespected. Having only dealt with regionals (Westair) and new start-ups (ValuJet), Allegiant management has yet to deal with a committed, unified and militant pilot group, and it shows. It's actually downright comical, if not disturbing, to watch management's inept responses and knee-jerk reactions to the union's actions and newsletters. Reminds me of the over-confident boxer, still deliriously prancing around the ring with knees buckling, mouthpiece missing, too arrogant see the inevitable outcome.
Allegiant pilots have options and they know it. They have suffered the growing pains with the promise of rewards only to have them yanked under with the premise that "we are different" and industry standard wages "are not in our DNA". The consensus is to fix Allegiant with a fair contract or shut it down with a protracted strike and head to better pastures. Propaganda or ignorance, management believes the pilots won't strike and will accept a token raise without work rules. They believe standard industry forms of compensation represent 'soft costs' and refuse to pay them, our pilots will likely vote down any TA that doesn't have them. That's where the line will be drawn. Allegiant is among the most profitable carriers and can easily afford to pay the going rate to it's dwindling number of pilots, and they will. It's that simple.
Until then, I would stay away too. Good call.
The time will come when our management recognizes what pilots bring to the table and alternatively the hornets nest they create when disrespected. Having only dealt with regionals (Westair) and new start-ups (ValuJet), Allegiant management has yet to deal with a committed, unified and militant pilot group, and it shows. It's actually downright comical, if not disturbing, to watch management's inept responses and knee-jerk reactions to the union's actions and newsletters. Reminds me of the over-confident boxer, still deliriously prancing around the ring with knees buckling, mouthpiece missing, too arrogant see the inevitable outcome.
Allegiant pilots have options and they know it. They have suffered the growing pains with the promise of rewards only to have them yanked under with the premise that "we are different" and industry standard wages "are not in our DNA". The consensus is to fix Allegiant with a fair contract or shut it down with a protracted strike and head to better pastures. Propaganda or ignorance, management believes the pilots won't strike and will accept a token raise without work rules. They believe standard industry forms of compensation represent 'soft costs' and refuse to pay them, our pilots will likely vote down any TA that doesn't have them. That's where the line will be drawn. Allegiant is among the most profitable carriers and can easily afford to pay the going rate to it's dwindling number of pilots, and they will. It's that simple.
Until then, I would stay away too. Good call.
03-04-2014 | 07:24 PM
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If you gave a good idea and are not going to rely on someone else for employment, then college is definitely a waste of time. If you want to be an airline pilot for a legacy carrier, it's pretty much required.
03-04-2014 | 07:31 PM
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I feel like maybe a little perspective is needed. I'm no koolaide drinker or company cheerleder but at the same time we need to realize Allegiant management are no different or worse than pretty near every other airline management team in the industry. You might check out the "Delta Stock Buyback- Round 2" thread in this forum, or ask an America West pilot about Doug Parker. American, Spirit, United, etc. Same sad story. The differemce is those folks have contracts - otherwise I assure you they'd be pulling the same $h!t they're doing at Allegiant.
Allegiant pilots need to stay focused on the goal. And remember - it's just business; not personal.
Allegiant pilots need to stay focused on the goal. And remember - it's just business; not personal.
03-04-2014 | 08:56 PM
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You obviously didn't see MG and AL jump up and down and stomp their feet during past negotiations when we were trying to get captains out of the $60/hr range. If it was just business, they would recognize the long-term value of a happy, productive, and engaged workforce. Make no mistake. This is about ego and control, not just business. I realize some Delta pilots are upset about the stock buybacks because they would like to see compensation snap back to pre-Chapter 11 levels. However, Delta doesn't have crumbling infrastructure and looming safety concerns to deal with. We're watching good money fly out the door instead of addressing these concerns.
03-04-2014 | 09:04 PM
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I feel like maybe a little perspective is needed. I'm no koolaide drinker or company cheerleder but at the same time we need to realize Allegiant management are no different or worse than pretty near every other airline management team in the industry. You might check out the "Delta Stock Buyback- Round 2" thread in this forum, or ask an America West pilot about Doug Parker. American, Spirit, United, etc. Same sad story. The differemce is those folks have contracts - otherwise I assure you they'd be pulling the same $h!t they're doing at Allegiant.
Allegiant pilots need to stay focused on the goal. And remember - it's just business; not personal.
Allegiant pilots need to stay focused on the goal. And remember - it's just business; not personal.
I agree. That is the only difference. But, this management team is more demeaning in their process than most. The ceo’s letter to the pilot group during our initial card drive, overtly swearing, threatening us in a public forum: “just another ffing airline.” What is that? Every prospective new hire should look up that love note from our benevolent leader. Imagine for a moment, that is how he views us in public. I wonder how more visceral the rhetoric gets in his inner circle.
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03-05-2014 | 07:19 AM
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I feel like maybe a little perspective is needed. I'm no koolaide drinker or company cheerleder but at the same time we need to realize Allegiant management are no different or worse than pretty near every other airline management team in the industry. You might check out the "Delta Stock Buyback- Round 2" thread in this forum, or ask an America West pilot about Doug Parker. American, Spirit, United, etc. Same sad story. The differemce is those folks have contracts - otherwise I assure you they'd be pulling the same $h!t they're doing at Allegiant.
Allegiant pilots need to stay focused on the goal. And remember - it's just business; not personal.
Allegiant pilots need to stay focused on the goal. And remember - it's just business; not personal.
Pilots must try to keep the business perspective in mind, even while suffering the consequences of criminal neglect and greed while executives profit. Unable to commute home, operating poorly maintained equipment, often for 4 legs a day, multiple days in a row, week after week with 1-2 days off in between, with support and infrastructure resembling that of a bankrupt 3rd world airline.
Year after year our crews shoulder the burden and risk of this approach so that our management can brag about profit margins that defy logic. In response, our thankless management feeds us line after line about "rising tides lift all boats" only to be admonished "we are different" when the company's ship comes in. Ironically, our management's response to our concerns has ranged from utter disregard to outright resentment and anger, accusing pilots of using bogus safety data to secure a contract. Greedy pilots.
Yes, this IS business, but it's very bad business and as you've alluded, we need to fix it or we will all be looking for work elsewhere. To borrow one of management's favored terms, it's 'unsustainable'.
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03-05-2014 | 10:14 AM
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So now even more TDY's than ever (Airbus, 75 guys and the usual 80 guys) for April!
I think some people thought that management meant they were going to stop TDYing in April due to their email a few weeks back, but if you read it closely they said they were going to try to put an end to UNPLANNED TDY's. TDY isn't going away, they're just not going to be caught unaware like they were back in late 2013 when they said no TDY's and then had to call people up on the sly and inform them that there would actually be TDY's after all. In fact, now it seems like they will be planning on it all the time, so therefore that solves everything, right?
I think some people thought that management meant they were going to stop TDYing in April due to their email a few weeks back, but if you read it closely they said they were going to try to put an end to UNPLANNED TDY's. TDY isn't going away, they're just not going to be caught unaware like they were back in late 2013 when they said no TDY's and then had to call people up on the sly and inform them that there would actually be TDY's after all. In fact, now it seems like they will be planning on it all the time, so therefore that solves everything, right?
03-05-2014 | 10:27 AM
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From: Just ran out of Kool-Aid...
Is Allegiant currently hiring pilots
41 TDYs, which is roughly 10% of the pilot group. This is not likely to get better any time soon as they are SO far behind in staffing due to the training department shut down/sim shutdown/attrition. Oh, and of course the government shutdown..😒
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