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#1021
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Joined APC: Aug 2015
Posts: 136
“Labor Consultants”, a.k.a. the blood sucking leeches of our society; Fordharrison attorneys did not endure their process to give discounts to corporations based on its profitability and/or model.
#1022
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Joined APC: Jan 2014
Posts: 444
Just like everything else, trades have a certain value. It may vary and be inconsistent to a degree but there's a fundamental an underlying range that exists for the profession to remain healthy. Take a look at what the HMO short sighted approach to medicine has done to the medical professions. Enrollment in medical schools for US students is at an all-time low. Risk/reward
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#1024
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#1025
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Position: Hoping for any position
Posts: 2,504
And you proved mine. Ambulance chasers still don't vary their fee of ⅓ of the settlement. Proportionally it's the same. The bigger the settlement the bigger the paycheck. If that's all the business they have. DAs and prosecutors usually use city hall as a proving ground to hone their skills then move on to private practice.
“Labor Consultants”, a.k.a. the blood sucking leeches of our society; Fordharrison attorneys did not endure their process to give discounts to corporations based on its profitability and/or model.
“Labor Consultants”, a.k.a. the blood sucking leeches of our society; Fordharrison attorneys did not endure their process to give discounts to corporations based on its profitability and/or model.
Plumbers are the same, you are getting into a world I am very familiar. Rates vary and so does service.
I'm not arguing in favor of any of this but to know your enemy and know yourself......just trying to provoke some thought.
#1026
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
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We should make what we or I am willing to get paid, the market dictates. You limit yourself on each end when you compare yourself to your peers. It's exactly what F & H is doing. They keep moving the bar in relation to our peers. We do nothing like our peers other than operate aircraft. How and when we do it is nothing like any other carrier, why limit ourselves to that comparison?
#1027
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Joined APC: Dec 2015
Posts: 2
The company should also be worried about captains who are afraid to execute the emergency procedures they were taught and trained to do. Allegedly, there was one recent instance where slides were deployed but the passengers were not evacuated. Was this hesitation out of fear? How much time does it take to evacuate 150+ souls from a smoke filled cabin?
Aborts, go-arounds, missed approaches, evacuations, you name it, captains must be nervous over there and first officers probably refusing the upgrade out of fear of getting snared in one of the webs G4 weaves. These are split second decisions that require clarity of thought and conviction, not doubt and fear of being second guessed by armchair heroes. The MD-80 is a complex, archaic and difficult plane to operate WHEN WELL MAINTAINED. Those guys deal with countless engine failures, air returns, smoke in the cabin, etc so their career fears are not unreasonable. I'm sure the opinion and rebuke expressed by Sky Gods are not shared by most G4 pilots.
Aborts, go-arounds, missed approaches, evacuations, you name it, captains must be nervous over there and first officers probably refusing the upgrade out of fear of getting snared in one of the webs G4 weaves. These are split second decisions that require clarity of thought and conviction, not doubt and fear of being second guessed by armchair heroes. The MD-80 is a complex, archaic and difficult plane to operate WHEN WELL MAINTAINED. Those guys deal with countless engine failures, air returns, smoke in the cabin, etc so their career fears are not unreasonable. I'm sure the opinion and rebuke expressed by Sky Gods are not shared by most G4 pilots.
I completely agree. I can't speak for what happened during that incident you mentioned, but from an outsider's perspective, it seems as if safety has been replaced with the fear "of costing the company money" and potentially losing ones career over doing what you've been trained to do.
During an emergency situation you shouldn't have to stop and think about "Well, what will keep me from getting fired like that other CA did?" or the thought of losing your job and not being able to provide Christmas presents to your kids. There should never be any hesitation in decision making when it comes to safety...especially with the 80.
#1028
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Joined APC: Sep 2006
Posts: 926
Unlike the examples cited here and later in the thread, the job of an airline pilot is nearly identical regardless of the carrier. I have a real problem with companies thinking that they can change their pilot compensation based on what the company decides to call itself. "ULCC" is a marketing term, not a license to work your employees harder for less money.
Particularly for an airline with margins over 20%.
#1030
Banned
Joined APC: Aug 2015
Posts: 155
I have been with Allegiant for almost 9 years and have to say that I have never been yelled at from a dispatcher or MX. I have never flown an aircraft I thought to be unsafe, I have never been pressured to fly broken aircraft or not to record an issue in the MX logbook. The most MELs I have ever seen was 6. The negative Allegiant people who say we fire Captains for an emergency evacs are just wrong. I have had to evac 155 pax plus crew on a runway at Allegiant. I was not fired or disciplined for my actions because my First Officer and I used good judgement in our emergency.
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