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12-23-2015 | 08:05 AM
#1051
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It's true.
FAA temporarily halted Allegiant's FO MD-80 types because of excessive busts. 4 last week, 1 now faces a review board.
Apparently the FAA agreed to resume so long as they were present for each Type. FOs were told to expect an FO PC oral, given a 1 day class instead of the normal 5 days, then showed up to a full type oral.
Airlines have known about this deadline for years but just like Merlot, Allegiant waited until the deadline to slam together another rushed, uncoordinated charade that resulted in a nice little pink under the tree for these FOs. Way to support the troops Allegiant. Merry Christmas.
And happy holidays to the passengers that will be enjoying Christmas at an airport as a result of this self-induced crew shortage
FAA temporarily halted Allegiant's FO MD-80 types because of excessive busts. 4 last week, 1 now faces a review board.
Apparently the FAA agreed to resume so long as they were present for each Type. FOs were told to expect an FO PC oral, given a 1 day class instead of the normal 5 days, then showed up to a full type oral.
Airlines have known about this deadline for years but just like Merlot, Allegiant waited until the deadline to slam together another rushed, uncoordinated charade that resulted in a nice little pink under the tree for these FOs. Way to support the troops Allegiant. Merry Christmas.
And happy holidays to the passengers that will be enjoying Christmas at an airport as a result of this self-induced crew shortage
G4 management had three years to type all remaining FO’s. A perfect summation of crisis management. Apparently training isn't in their “dna” either.
12-23-2015 | 08:59 AM
#1052
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Then you know that they helped RAH's 5-year CBA last for 13?
..and successfully argued to the most liberal appellate court in the US that there is no "status quo" regarding work rules at G4?
I'd say that is a little better than "mediocre" work.
Even if one were to accept the premise that they are "mediocre," with the RLA on their side, I'd submit that "mediocre" is good enough.
Anyway, regardless of my musings, since FordHarrison's attorneys and advice are so "mediocre," Allegiant pilots should expect a contract very soon then?
..and successfully argued to the most liberal appellate court in the US that there is no "status quo" regarding work rules at G4?
I'd say that is a little better than "mediocre" work.
Even if one were to accept the premise that they are "mediocre," with the RLA on their side, I'd submit that "mediocre" is good enough.
Anyway, regardless of my musings, since FordHarrison's attorneys and advice are so "mediocre," Allegiant pilots should expect a contract very soon then?
12-23-2015 | 09:32 AM
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I don't know where you are making this up from but I've been in training since Sept. and we have not had any new hires fail the type ride. ZERO. Four from my class had type rides in the past week and ZERO had FAA in sim or review boards. There also has not been any talk like this about the 17 current f/o's that needed types.
12-23-2015 | 09:35 AM
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What is going on in the training department? A high number of FOs, especially in the MD are busting type rides and/or PCs? Whaaat, G4 training only had three years to type everyone. After the last FO bust the POI temporarily shut down the training department, again? I'm hearing “Review Board(s)” being conducted.
The last time this happened, G4 management blamed the government shutdown, who will they blame for this one? The FAA has been sitting in on many check rides and looks like the check airmen are getting jumpy.
Also heard we had a new hire in the AB washing out? Put that one on your PRIA/resume. Minimal training and hyper scrutiny lately by the FAA, for obvious reasons and you pay the price.
The last time this happened, G4 management blamed the government shutdown, who will they blame for this one? The FAA has been sitting in on many check rides and looks like the check airmen are getting jumpy.
Also heard we had a new hire in the AB washing out? Put that one on your PRIA/resume. Minimal training and hyper scrutiny lately by the FAA, for obvious reasons and you pay the price.
12-23-2015 | 11:01 AM
#1056
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Trust me, Six, this is a small company and these are well known names amongst those of us that have been longer than 3 months. While we're at it, these are good pilots that were told to expect a PC oral not a full-blown type. They didn't just 'choke'. Unlike your new hire training, they only had 1 day in class.
It's not about the numbers as much as it is the carnage that ensues from the chronic disregard, incompetence and neglect of those entrusted above us. 3 years we've known about this and FOs are suddenly thrown in to a slapped together, last minute crash course to get them typed before next week's deadline.
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12-23-2015 | 12:53 PM
#1057
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From: MD80 CA
I've flown with these pilots. Solid FOs. I wouldn't go so far as to say they "choked" on the oral as you state. I have heard 4 pilots 5 pinks. I don't claim to know what the issues are but the numbers are quite disturbing.
12-23-2015 | 01:43 PM
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From: on the bench
http://www.allegiantair.com/travel-alerts
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Allegiant Air Travel Advisories - Wednesday December 23, 2015
Flight 132 originally scheduled to depart Phoenix/Mesa, AZ to Provo, UT on December 23, 2015 will now be operating as flight 5132 on December 24, 2015. The new scheduled time of departure out of Phoenix/Mesa, AZ has yet to be determined, but communication will be made as soon as it is known.
Flight 131 originally scheduled to depart Los Angeles, CA to Provo, UT on December 23, 2015 will now be operating as flight 5131 on December 24, 2015. The new scheduled time of departure out of Los Angeles, CA has yet to be determined, but communication will be made as soon as it is known.
Flight 130 originally scheduled to depart Provo, UT to Los Angeles, CA on December 23, 2015 will now be operating as flight 5130 on December 24, 2015. The new scheduled time of departure out of Provo, UT has yet to be determined, but communication will be made as soon as it is known.
Flight 133 originally scheduled to depart Provo, UT to Phoenix/Mesa, AZ on December 23, 2015 will now be operating as flight 5133 on December 24, 2015. The new scheduled time of departure out of Provo, UT has yet to be determined, but communication will be made as soon as it is known.
Flight 137 originally scheduled to depart Fargo, ND to Mesa, AZ on December 22, 2015 will now be operating as flight 5137 on December 23, 2015. The new scheduled time of departure out of Fargo, ND is 2:30 PM, arriving in Mesa, AZ at 4:32 PM.
Flight 706 originally scheduled to depart Sandford, FL to Greensboro, NC on December 22, 2015 will now be operating as flight 5706 on December 23, 2015. The new scheduled time of departure out of Sandford, FL is 7:04 PM, arriving in Greensboro, NC at 8:38 PM.
Flight 707 originally scheduled to depart Greensboro, NC to Sandford, FL on December 22, 2015 will now be operating as flight 5707 on December 23, 2015. The new scheduled time of departure out of Greensboro, NC is 9:18 PM, arriving in Sandford, FL at 22:54 PM.
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12-23-2015 | 04:31 PM
#1059
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You're brand new and accusing people of "choking" on an oral? You sound like you will be a lot of fun to fly with. Glad I'm not there anymore....
12-23-2015 | 08:00 PM
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Hey man. If I passed the type oral I would like to think it would be a cakewalk for a seasoned pilot. I don't know the numbers but yes I agree there are issues. What is the difference between a pc oral and a type oral??
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