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Old 12-17-2015 | 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by labbats
I may be wrong but I believe both retired instead of quit to maintain Allegiant travel benefits after they take the recall to AA.
oh-yeah, way to work the benefit angles, I like this!
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Old 12-17-2015 | 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by labbats
I may be wrong but I believe both retired instead of quit to maintain Allegiant travel benefits after they take the recall to AA.

I have only heard a rumor of one pilot interviewed and hired at Delta... I heard the offer was turned down and they stayed to be home every night.

You are correct... I was wrong.
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Old 12-17-2015 | 05:20 PM
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What's the difference between retiring and quitting? A swift kick in the nuts or what?
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Old 12-17-2015 | 06:48 PM
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Whaaaat, I thought Mav told us a thorough, robust and unflinching internal investigation was conducted? Allegiant Air management without prejudice found no wrongdoing by Allegiant? Mav wouldn't lie to us?

Jetliner's Low-Fuel Landing Draws U.S. FAA Reprimand to Airline - Bloomberg Business
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Old 12-17-2015 | 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Stok1
Whaaaat, I thought Mav told us a thorough, robust and unflinching internal investigation was conducted? Allegiant Air management without prejudice found no wrongdoing by Allegiant? Mav wouldn't lie to us?

Jetliner's Low-Fuel Landing Draws U.S. FAA Reprimand to Airline - Bloomberg Business
If this was Delta, United, or American I'm sure the FAA would have leveled a $1 million dollar fine. Could anyone share how you can get away with this stuff so I can pass it on to our maintenance department?

Thanks.
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Old 12-17-2015 | 08:02 PM
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"While Allegiant’s flight operations center initially told Fargo controllers the plane carried enough fuel, the FAA concluded the flight “did not appear to have adequate fuel,” according to a statement from the agency released this week."

Somebody's got nekkid pictures of somebody, that's for sure...
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Old 12-17-2015 | 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackCloud
#17 & #21 is what I heard this morning. Back to AA.
Correct. #17 and #21 out of ~650. Makes for a pretty bold and sad statement. Tack on the number of junior guys leaving, and those getting canned (another captain this week)...
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Old 12-17-2015 | 09:45 PM
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The flogging will continue until morale improves....
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Old 12-18-2015 | 06:02 AM
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just don't drive the MD-88 into closed airports during BlueAngels
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Old 12-18-2015 | 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Stok1
Whaaaat, I thought Mav told us a thorough, robust and unflinching internal investigation was conducted? Allegiant Air management without prejudice found no wrongdoing by Allegiant? Mav wouldn't lie to us?

Jetliner's Low-Fuel Landing Draws U.S. FAA Reprimand to Airline - Bloomberg Business
The irony here is this 'pilot' in is now 'retiring', probably in part because of this self-inflicted incident. This is the same VP that swaggered over there from Northwest-Delta and was openly welcomed by the G4 guys. Their enthusiasm turned to disappointment after endless bloviations about 'legacy creep' and "family first" while sending guys TDY for a year on uncommutable schedules. Soon all communication virtually stopped. The in-house reps requests to meet were ignored while pilots were handed Merlot, mission mode abuse, loss of pay and QOL, and countless other 'gifts'. I couldn't take it anymore and gave up hoping for things to improve. It's no surprise they unionized after that.

Fuel discretion was one of these gifts (many captain authority items were taken away). Planes were to be pre-fueled by inexperienced dispatchers sending 'canned' releases without input from captains. Pilots had to
call and justify their request for more fuel which sometimes meant calling the fuel truck back and taking a delay. Dispatchers were pressured too. The pilot in-house (APAG) argued to no avail. Guys got tired of fighting eventually gave up trying, choosing to divert if necessary. This VP then went so far as to send a letter to the pilots outlining FAA min/emergency fuel procedures! Pilot worries about flying to remote places (like Fargo!!) were arrogantly dismissed. His career may have ended on this poetic note.

Hopefully others in this biz are paying attention and learning from these silly mistakes. For the sake of the G4 pilots, I hope they found a good replacement. Those guys deserve better

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