Originally Posted by Jetpipe30

I was at RAH for almost 7 years. I have been at Allegiant for more than a year now, and if you think that even with the new contract RAH is better than coming here you're full of it. I am home waaaayyyyy more here than I was commuting at RAH. But like it has been preached before YOU HAVE TO LIVE IN BASE. This place is a lot better than doing 4 to 5 legs per day being away from home 4-5 days per week. Your buddy can have that $hit He won't make anywhere near a second year FO here at Allegiant, even with the new contract. I never got anywhere near an average of 90-95 hours average credit, and if he was picking up open time to do that he was going directly against the union's instructions in doing so. (That would be like us if we picked up mission modes.) You're buddy was getting 15-16 days off a month when they are short some 500 pilots because nobody wanted to go there because of negotiations? Ya no I don't think so... maybe in September. Last time I checked everybody was working their asses off.

Furthurmore the deadhead pay still sucks compared to the rest of the industry. I've read their contract you only get 150% if you go over something like 85 hours per month FLIGHT TIME not credit (which you rarely get). Let's skip to the chase your buddy just wanted the bonus check and that's about it.

Stop talking for the entire pilot group, it's getting old and your bull**** only goes so far. Your opinion is your opinion, just because nobody else is getting on here and going all keyboard commando like you does not give you the right to scare people away because you think you're right.

Been here over a year. Would love a contract, but if you think your buddy made a good choice by staying at RAH and he had the chance to live in base at G4 you're smoking some good stuff.

Originally Posted by FirstClass

Looks like the wheels are starting to fall off at g4.

Originally Posted by akemps

Because it still hands down beats most regionals, from the FO perspective. Most of the hiring I've seen for the last few months has been dominated by regional FO's and people with worse jobs than Allegiant. Unfortunately, there's always someone/thing better, and always someone/thing worse.

And to think, we could end all the labor troubles overnight if we could just find a way to herd the 18,000 or so regional pilots/cats into simply not showing up for work the next day. Doubt they'd try to prosecute them (would be a decades long process).

In short, a large sampling of humans/animals will ALWAYS act in what they perceive to be their best interest, with just a few outliers willing to do what they perceive to be best for the group.

We can at least be happy that Allegiant has a group of pilots that have concluded that what's best for themselves AND the group, coincide.

Can't fight Darwin guys.

Originally Posted by ysslah

I'm talking about passengers

Originally Posted by cactusmike

I certainly hope you guys get your issues settled with management. It's sad to see the abuse by incompetent managers go unchecked in this business. Too many lives are at stake for screw ups to be running an airline. It's a testament to your professionalism that no tragedies have occurred.
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Originally Posted by full of luv

Why do you assume Mgmt is incompetent? From my view they know exactly what they are trying to do. Run an airline on a shoestring budget with little actual concern for safety.
They do this by keeping employees under the gun. If the pilots want a union then take hostages and make things so bad that a lacking mediocre contract seems good. Oh and the crappier it is causes more attrition so that longevity is kept low.
In the end Mgmt will cash out and the suckers(employees) will be left in the lurch.

Originally Posted by full of luv

Why do you assume Mgmt is incompetent? From my view they know exactly what they are trying to do. Run an airline on a shoestring budget with little actual concern for safety.
They do this by keeping employees under the gun. If the pilots want a union then take hostages and make things so bad that a lacking mediocre contract seems good. Oh and the crappier it is causes more attrition so that longevity is kept low.
In the end Mgmt will cash out and the suckers(employees) will be left in the lurch.