Originally Posted by ysslah

Sad thing is, people are still lined up to fly on our airplanes despite all the negative media attention!

Originally Posted by Jetpipe30

I was at RAH for almost 7 years. I have been at Allegiant for more than a year now, and if you think that even with the new contract RAH is better than coming here you're full of it. I am home waaaayyyyy more here than I was commuting at RAH. But like it has been preached before YOU HAVE TO LIVE IN BASE. This place is a lot better than doing 4 to 5 legs per day being away from home 4-5 days per week. Your buddy can have that $hit He won't make anywhere near a second year FO here at Allegiant, even with the new contract. I never got anywhere near an average of 90-95 hours average credit, and if he was picking up open time to do that he was going directly against the union's instructions in doing so. (That would be like us if we picked up mission modes.) You're buddy was getting 15-16 days off a month when they are short some 500 pilots because nobody wanted to go there because of negotiations? Ya no I don't think so... maybe in September. Last time I checked everybody was working their asses off.

Furthurmore the deadhead pay still sucks compared to the rest of the industry. I've read their contract you only get 150% if you go over something like 85 hours per month FLIGHT TIME not credit (which you rarely get). Let's skip to the chase your buddy just wanted the bonus check and that's about it.

Stop talking for the entire pilot group, it's getting old and your bull**** only goes so far. Your opinion is your opinion, just because nobody else is getting on here and going all keyboard commando like you does not give you the right to scare people away because you think you're right.

Been here over a year. Would love a contract, but if you think your buddy made a good choice by staying at RAH and he had the chance to live in base at G4 you're smoking some good stuff.

Originally Posted by Jetpipe30

I was at RAH for almost 7 years. I have been at Allegiant for more than a year now, and if you think that even with the new contract RAH is better than coming here you're full of it. I am home waaaayyyyy more here than I was commuting at RAH. But like it has been preached before YOU HAVE TO LIVE IN BASE. This place is a lot better than doing 4 to 5 legs per day being away from home 4-5 days per week. Your buddy can have that $hit He won't make anywhere near a second year FO here at Allegiant, even with the new contract. I never got anywhere near an average of 90-95 hours average credit, and if he was picking up open time to do that he was going directly against the union's instructions in doing so. (That would be like us if we picked up mission modes.) You're buddy was getting 15-16 days off a month when they are short some 500 pilots because nobody wanted to go there because of negotiations? Ya no I don't think so... maybe in September. Last time I checked everybody was working their asses off.

Furthurmore the deadhead pay still sucks compared to the rest of the industry. I've read their contract you only get 150% if you go over something like 85 hours per month FLIGHT TIME not credit (which you rarely get). Let's skip to the chase your buddy just wanted the bonus check and that's about it.

Stop talking for the entire pilot group, it's getting old and your bull**** only goes so far. Your opinion is your opinion, just because nobody else is getting on here and going all keyboard commando like you does not give you the right to scare people away because you think you're right.

Been here over a year. Would love a contract, but if you think your buddy made a good choice by staying at RAH and he had the chance to live in base at G4 you're smoking some good stuff.

Originally Posted by ysslah

Sad thing is, people are still lined up to fly on our airplanes despite all the negative media attention!

Originally Posted by akemps

Because it still hands down beats most regionals, from the FO perspective.

Originally Posted by cactusmike

I certainly hope you guys get your issues settled with management. It's sad to see the abuse by incompetent managers go unchecked in this business. Too many lives are at stake for screw ups to be running an airline. It's a testament to your professionalism that no tragedies have occurred.

No one should go to work for an airline that will fire you for a safety decision. Even if the evac was unwarranted after the fact the worst that should have been done was a review by flight standards to go over the evac criteria. But erring on the side of caution should never be punished.

Unfortunately, the FARs may not help this captain. Being an at will employee is difficult to overcome when you are terminated. The FAA will take certificate action against a crew even if the company has told the crew their actions are legal, when, in fact, they have committed a violation. The company can self disclose for immunity but the crew is still hung. That has happened before. The FAA is of no help. Hopefully your union can do something but it's hard without a contract and formal language.

To be clear, I am not implying that the captain did anything wrong. I'm just pointing out that the FARs and the Feds may be of little help. His best ally right now is the negative press this issue is getting. Hopefully he will be hired soon at a better airline. At the very least he has one hell of a TMAAT answer.

Originally Posted by rokgpsman

I think he was probably referring to all the passengers lining up to fly on Allegiant. But in either case it is probably due to people looking for their apparent personal benefit. Passengers see the cheap fares, hopeful FO's see an opportunity to end their regional nightmare. Neither realize what's truly going on at AAY, or don't care, when they make their decision.

Originally Posted by akemps

ahhh yes touche, I believe you are correct. Yes, as for the hopeful FO's, it's just that… hope. We know it's crap now; there are probably things we don't realize that are going on here. And, you are right, based on the knowledge we have, we don't care enough to sway our decision to come here. Sounds crass, it's not.