Originally Posted by fishforfun

Very interesting that they posted their proposal in the open. FO rates are getting better but the top out of the captain rates is a joke. I'm guessing there is still little or no 401k contribution from the company either since it isn't mentioned anywhere. The focus of just the pay rates shows a complete lack of understanding of what the group finds important.

As for scheduling, the AB and 80 guys live very different lives.

Originally Posted by flyingdutchman1

So I went to g4pilots.com out of curiosity and all I can say is, WOW. The big new pay rates that the company has been saying we will get are a joke. That website has renewed my faith in our union. If there is any union guys that read this forum, I want to say Thank You. Those horrible pay rates coupled with a band system, and no work rules are something the company should be ashamed of, not proud of.

Also for anybody wishing to come to Allegiant and want to know what the schedules look like, I would recommend going to that website. They are published and I clicked on my base and found my schedule there for all to see. Made me chuckle a little considering all the single days off I have. So if you are wanting to come here, take note that these schedules are the best the company must have since they are willing to show the public how "great" we have it. If you can commute, or can live with these schedules then feel free to come. Just remember this website has allowed you to come here with your eyes wide open.

Originally Posted by pipercub

are the rates listed out or are you guys just using the calculator thing the posted and doing the math. I did the math those rates do not even get to what places like Virgin America or Jet blue currently have.

Originally Posted by fishforfun

I just did the math for each band/year. FO rates aren't bad but the captain rates are pathetic at the top end. Also, what gets you into the new top band? We've been in band 4 for a while so I'm guessing they are going to raise the bar for band 3. Company contribution to retirement has to get a lot better to get a yes from me. 5% from me to get 4% from the company is not going to cut it.

The union is holding a webinar/conference call or something today to go over this I believe. I'm curious how far apart we are.

Originally Posted by fishforfun

I just did the math for each band/year. FO rates aren't bad but the captain rates are pathetic at the top end. Also, what gets you into the new top band? We've been in band 4 for a while so I'm guessing they are going to raise the bar for band 3. Company contribution to retirement has to get a lot better to get a yes from me. 5% from me to get 4% from the company is not going to cut it.

The union is holding a webinar/conference call or something today to go over this I believe. I'm curious how far apart we are.

Originally Posted by fishforfun

I just did the math for each band/year. FO rates aren't bad but the captain rates are pathetic at the top end. Also, what gets you into the new top band? We've been in band 4 for a while so I'm guessing they are going to raise the bar for band 3. Company contribution to retirement has to get a lot better to get a yes from me. 5% from me to get 4% from the company is not going to cut it.

The union is holding a webinar/conference call or something today to go over this I believe. I'm curious how far apart we are.

Originally Posted by MD80driver2day

I think it's a fabulous idea for the company to put this out there. Now there can be no uncertainty that the company is out of their mind.

If I don't see VA + 15% minimum hourly rate coupled with major changes to retirement and work rules, I will vote NO. Oh... A big frickin signing bonus too.

I think we should all, individually, email Mr. Harfst and express to him that those rates are a big waste of time and they will not convince us otherwise. They are also an insult.

Originally Posted by flyingdutchman1

Explain to me how the "FO rates aren't bad". If I did my math correctly the 12 year FO rate is $111 per hour on band three. Which would mean band one rate would be approx. $101 per hour. All FO's at Allegiant should see those rates as a slap in the face. Why can't the most profitable company in the US afford Southwest rates, Delta rates, United rates, American rates, etc...?