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Old 08-28-2017 | 10:57 AM
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While not the biggest aLPA cheerleader it sure makes sense when you’re negotiating to just hand over the Delta/Other ALPA carrier contracts and say ‘me too’. Oh, and for the love of god, stop voting in the same d!cks.
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Old 08-28-2017 | 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by SilverandSore
While not the biggest aLPA cheerleader it sure makes sense when you’re negotiating to just hand over the Delta/Other ALPA carrier contracts and say ‘me too’. Oh, and for the love of god, stop voting in the same d!cks.


Not just me too, but me too plus X %. It's disrespectful to the other airlines not to even try and raise the bar.
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Old 08-28-2017 | 11:07 AM
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The good part is ALPA F&A was hired to cost our next contract. If the DFW brain trust listens in a whole different story.
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Old 08-28-2017 | 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta
Are the commuter hotels in their contract? I was under the impression they are an added recruiting tool just like the bonuses and thus easily taken away if staffing is no longer an issue.


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Hotels were an LOA. They are in the contract. Any signing bonus or retention bonus was outside of the contract and/or LOA.
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Old 08-28-2017 | 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Buzzlightyear
Hotels were an LOA. They are in the contract. Any signing bonus or retention bonus was outside of the contract and/or LOA.


Yes hotels were an LOA but with the caveat that they can be cancelled by the company with notice. Either 60 or 90 days I don't remember exactly.


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Old 08-28-2017 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik
The good part is ALPA F&A was hired to cost our next contract. If the DFW brain trust listens in a whole different story.
I doubt they will.

Those dickballs spend at least 90% of their time screwing people who pay dues.

They quite literally and purposefully hose various groups of our pilots. I guess the guys who the Bad Seeds represent must love that-because they damn sure elect the same bastards,
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Old 08-28-2017 | 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by jcountry
I doubt they will.

Those dickballs spend at least 90% of their time screwing people who pay dues.

They quite literally and purposefully hose various groups of our pilots. I guess the guys who the Bad Seeds represent must love that-because they damn sure elect the same bastards,
In that same fashion, how many domiciles had their base reps run unopposed...AGAIN?
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Old 08-28-2017 | 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by aa73
Contract 2020:

1) 5:30 Min Calendar Day
2) Full LOS
3) LTD fix up to industry standard
4) Industry leading Profit Sharing
5) Industry leading hotel language
6) DL/UA/FDX/UPS + 1% for pay

I'd say that would be a pretty good start!
And.. I'll be voting a big fat NO first round no matter what it is.
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Old 08-28-2017 | 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by QuagmireGiggity
And.. I'll be voting a big fat NO first round no matter what it is.
No matter what? Even if we get everything and more?

Why?
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Old 08-28-2017 | 03:08 PM
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We at envoy spent the last decade that I've been here (so I'm sure for even longer) being F-ed by ALPA national.

They would rather hide MEC members abusing their fiduciary duty instead of fix the problem.

When I pointedly asked the ALPA president that signed the concessionary PSA whipsaw contract that undercut us and stole our CRJ's how in the hell he could justify allowing one ALPA carrier to directly undermine another, his answer was "because it was a contract improvement for them."

Voting in ALPA would be a serious, serious mistake. As much as APA may be screwed up, at least their primary responsibilities are to AA pilots and no one else. I wish we were that lucky.
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