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08-29-2017, 02:59 PM
#61
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Originally Posted by Name User
SWA is not ALPA and their contract is arguably the best out of all the passenger carriers.
08-29-2017, 03:01 PM
#62
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One of the things I dislike about the structure of ALPA is exactly what Trinity pointed out. OAL ALPA execs will be coaching our reps on what is best for our airline. No thank you. I don't care for external forces meddling in my business. We are better off with less bureaucracy.
08-29-2017, 03:41 PM
#64
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Originally Posted by TrinityDawn
What I meant was I would rather have locally elected reps from within my airline running the shop, rather than OAL folks sitting in DC that may, or may not, have my best interests in mind.
08-29-2017, 04:05 PM
#65
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Originally Posted by TrinityDawn
Oh I have no doubt APA has its own set of problems. But as Sheepdog said, voting in ALPA won't fix those problems. Introducing a new layer of bureaucracy that has a completely different set of motivations from the rank and file of AA pilots only complicates things.That's all I'm saying.
It's what I am concerned about as well.....
ALPA won't solve anything-if we keep electing the same retarded ass hats who gave us this crapfest of a contract.
08-29-2017, 04:06 PM
#66
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Originally Posted by Buzzlightyear
You were not under ALPA for 17 years crapped on at every opportunity. I can assure you my feelings will not change toward ALPA. Anybody who paid attention during those years whether it was at Eagle or another regional will most likely echo my sentiment.
APA is way, way worse.
We would have industry standard (at least) work rules if those bastards had not gone to extremes to hose their own dues-paying members.
08-29-2017, 05:33 PM
#67
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Originally Posted by jcountry
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ALPA won't solve anything-if we keep electing the same retarded ass hats who gave us this crapfest of a contract.
ALPA won't solve anything-if we keep electing the same retarded ass hats who gave us this crapfest of a contract.
Can we please make huge posters of this statement and hang it in every crewroom?
08-29-2017, 05:41 PM
#68
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Originally Posted by TrinityDawn
What I meant was I would rather have locally elected reps from within my airline running the shop, rather than OAL folks sitting in DC that may, or may not, have my best interests in mind. The closer and more personally accountable they are, the better. .
08-29-2017, 06:07 PM
#69
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Originally Posted by Monkey Wrench
Incumbent base reps are being re-elected, usually without any opposition. It appears that most pilots at AA could care less. Hope you like these work rules!
This is the most frustrating thing. Election after election, the same names keep showing up to the table. How many base reps ran unopposed over the last couple of years? It's a hypothetical question and the answer is WAAAAAY too many.
Hell, the CLT rep (who ran unopposed) couldn't even be bothered to stay for the last day of the last meeting (which he dropped trips and was paid for). He was on a flight a 7 am and failed to leave a proxy with anyone. He's violated multiple union directives about Scheduling notifications and deadheads and then pens a blast stating what he did and then proceeds to blame others.
That's on all of our heads!
08-29-2017, 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by RhinoBallAuto
Not to derail the conversation, but you just made one helluva argument for federalism....
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