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08-29-2017, 08:30 PM
#71
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Posts: 569
Originally Posted by jcountry
I was at another ALPA regional for longer.
APA is way, way worse.
We would have industry standard (at least) work rules if those bastards had not gone to extremes to hose their own dues-paying members.
APA is way, way worse.
We would have industry standard (at least) work rules if those bastards had not gone to extremes to hose their own dues-paying members.
Rank and file are the ones that vote. This contract that everyone complains about was voted in by all your coworkers. Nobody to blame but yourself in the end. You can make the case that APA brought it to you to vote on but come on, we can all read and compare. Most were blinded by the hourly rates and didn't make it much further from where I sat at the time.
08-30-2017, 08:13 AM
#72
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Posts: 135
Originally Posted by Buzzlightyear
One of the things I dislike about the structure of ALPA is exactly what Trinity pointed out. OAL ALPA execs will be coaching our reps on what is best for our airline. No thank you. I don't care for external forces meddling in my business. We are better off with less bureaucracy.
08-30-2017, 03:48 PM
#73
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Posts: 569
Originally Posted by flydc
What are you afraid of? Wouldn't it be in the best interests of OAL pilots to improve our contract as much as possible? It seems to me that our substandard work rules are only going to make it harder for these other airlines to negotiate better contracts.
08-30-2017, 04:51 PM
#74
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Originally Posted by Buzzlightyear
Just tired of their antics, structure, budgetary constraints, association status, national dysfunction, cronyism etc. I was hoping I was done with them forever that's where I'm at. Maybe they would beat the pants off APA. I don't know. Me and most of the WO flows would probably be a no vote is my guess though.
does not equal
ALPA of a Legacy Airline Pilot
Much different priorities/focus.
08-30-2017, 04:56 PM
#75
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Originally Posted by Name User
SWA is not ALPA and their contract is arguably the best out of all the passenger carriers.
08-31-2017, 07:37 AM
#77
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Joined APC: Mar 2013
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 269
Originally Posted by full of luv
ALPA as a Contract Carrier Pilot (regional)
does not equal
ALPA of a Legacy Airline Pilot
Much different priorities/focus.
does not equal
ALPA of a Legacy Airline Pilot
Much different priorities/focus.
Having lived under that hypocrisy at a regional is why I won't support being part of that hypocrisy at a legacy.
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08-31-2017, 08:47 AM
#78
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Originally Posted by airlinegypsy
Having lived under that hypocrisy at a regional is why I won't support being part of that hypocrisy at a legacy.
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Contractors are contractors and the fact that 30 yrs ago the contractor nose was let under the tent was the strategic mistake that cost billions to the legacy (and regional contract pilots) pilots over the next few decades.
Going forward though there is no doubt that at the moment holding a stiff line in the sand on scope while defending our profession against unfair overseas competition will be the focus of the current unions.
Stay with APA if you feel them to be so much more pure/effective, but join the fight on protecting our profession from threats abroad, safety and security.
08-31-2017, 11:42 AM
#79
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Posts: 854
Originally Posted by full of luv
ALPA as a Contract Carrier Pilot (regional)
does not equal
ALPA of a Legacy Airline Pilot
Much different priorities/focus.
does not equal
ALPA of a Legacy Airline Pilot
Much different priorities/focus.
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