Opportunity Cost - AA vs UAL?
#201
The culture is far from Toxic at UA, in fact I think it’s the best it’s ever been. again I think that was an AA thing. The AA culture has been toxic since the 90s. US wasn’t much better and the AWA merger made that worse.
Again I don’t think it was driven by Kirby. I get why you all hate on him but Iv seen nothing but good since he has been at UA.
Again I don’t think it was driven by Kirby. I get why you all hate on him but Iv seen nothing but good since he has been at UA.
#202
Iv seen Kirby speak several times and says the right things.....but you and I both know what that is worth.
#205
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2019
Posts: 300
As a UAL pilot I’ll say two things:
1. 5 years in at AA and thinking of jumping ship? Nuts. I love it here but wouldn’t give up 5 years of AA seniority to come here. No way. JetBlue, Frontier, Spirit, Allegiant; even SWA maybe but not AA. I think within 5 years AA will be a completely different place and my bet is you all will be happy. Airlines cycle at the top. Delta has had their day in the sun but I’m seeing signs of things over there getting all “Gummed”up next year. UAL is doing the right things and absent a recession, I see our airline rising but nothing will last forever and AA could very well climb above us in 5 years. Look at where we were 5 years ago!
2. Kirby is a smart network guy and that is what UAL needed in a terribly bad way. We already had hubs in great markets and wide bodies with tons of wide body orders. We just needed a mind that could connect the dots and put them to use where they maximized profit. Some of us were surprised to see 777s going to Florida and all over our domestic network this year but it has worked. He drove the decisions to add used narrow body aircraft and has put us in a position to take a ton of MAXs over the next 5 years with 321s coming as well. I’ll give him some slack for a while.
1. 5 years in at AA and thinking of jumping ship? Nuts. I love it here but wouldn’t give up 5 years of AA seniority to come here. No way. JetBlue, Frontier, Spirit, Allegiant; even SWA maybe but not AA. I think within 5 years AA will be a completely different place and my bet is you all will be happy. Airlines cycle at the top. Delta has had their day in the sun but I’m seeing signs of things over there getting all “Gummed”up next year. UAL is doing the right things and absent a recession, I see our airline rising but nothing will last forever and AA could very well climb above us in 5 years. Look at where we were 5 years ago!
2. Kirby is a smart network guy and that is what UAL needed in a terribly bad way. We already had hubs in great markets and wide bodies with tons of wide body orders. We just needed a mind that could connect the dots and put them to use where they maximized profit. Some of us were surprised to see 777s going to Florida and all over our domestic network this year but it has worked. He drove the decisions to add used narrow body aircraft and has put us in a position to take a ton of MAXs over the next 5 years with 321s coming as well. I’ll give him some slack for a while.
Last edited by Vernon Demerest; 12-13-2019 at 10:06 AM.
#206
Banned
Joined APC: Jan 2019
Posts: 271
I left UAL for aa. 900+ retirements per year cant be beat. Ual has airport standby, always converting lc to sc, commuter clause sucks compared to aa, can only drop to 50hrs at ual and its megabase is SFO so unless you live on the west coast forget about it.
Not digging on ual, just showing that aa isnt near as bad as aa guys think it is. Plus no hat at AA. Now let me go back to figuring out what to spend my profit sharing on this year: tube socks or underwear.
Not digging on ual, just showing that aa isnt near as bad as aa guys think it is. Plus no hat at AA. Now let me go back to figuring out what to spend my profit sharing on this year: tube socks or underwear.
#207
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2019
Posts: 300
I left UAL for aa. 900+ retirements per year cant be beat. Ual has airport standby, always converting lc to sc, commuter clause sucks compared to aa, can only drop to 50hrs at ual and its megabase is SFO so unless you live on the west coast forget about it.
Not digging on ual, just showing that aa isnt near as bad as aa guys think it is. Plus no hat at AA. Now let me go back to figuring out what to spend my profit sharing on this year: tube socks or underwear.
Not digging on ual, just showing that aa isnt near as bad as aa guys think it is. Plus no hat at AA. Now let me go back to figuring out what to spend my profit sharing on this year: tube socks or underwear.
#210
The culture is far from Toxic at UA, in fact I think it’s the best it’s ever been. again I think that was an AA thing. The AA culture has been toxic since the 90s. US wasn’t much better and the AWA merger made that worse.
Again I don’t think it was driven by Kirby. I get why you all hate on him but Iv seen nothing but good since he has been at UA.
Again I don’t think it was driven by Kirby. I get why you all hate on him but Iv seen nothing but good since he has been at UA.
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