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Old 10-11-2019, 09:18 PM   #11  
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Itís not easy balancing the three legged stool (family, American, Reserve gig). In a year or 2 heíll be doing everything he can to work less at the AF job. Itís a lot more work for a lot less pay. I even know guys whoíve simply quit the Reserve job.
I hear ya. Just saying weíre all equal, but some are more equal than others when it comes to resources and perceptions as it pertains to various commitments
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Old 10-13-2019, 12:48 PM   #12  
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I agree with contrails. A LOT of guys getting hired at AA with hardly any intention of working until they get their military retirement. Kind of craps on your ďbrosĒ as a few have mentioned. We all appreciate your service, but itís a double-dipping racket.
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Old 10-13-2019, 05:30 PM   #13  
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I guess this will drive the requirement to hire even more new pilots.

Also, how can you blame the individuals who are doing this? It is legal and the difference to their families is huge. Who wouldnít take an extra few years of seniority, legally, if able? To say you wouldnít do the same thing is hard to believe. Itís simple human nature.
BTW Iím not one of these lucky individuals, Iím just not mad at them. It is the system.
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Old 10-13-2019, 08:15 PM   #14  
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I get it, but it seems disingenuous to apply for a job you have no intention of working . . . until you wrap up your military obligation. There are applicants who are being picked over for a person who doesnít intend to fly for AA- yet. As a civilian Iím not allowed by AA to do any outside flying for hire/compensation. But the guard guys are protected by the military management we have nestled deep into our(dare I say) ranks.
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It has nothing to due with management. It is simply US law that protects them.
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Old 10-14-2019, 07:43 AM   #16  
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But it is our management who hires them at a larger percentage than any other type of applicant!
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Old 10-14-2019, 08:04 AM   #17  
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I get it, but it seems disingenuous to apply for a job you have no intention of working . . . until you wrap up your military obligation. There are applicants who are being picked over for a person who doesnít intend to fly for AA- yet. As a civilian Iím not allowed by AA to do any outside flying for hire/compensation. But the guard guys are protected by the military management we have nestled deep into our(dare I say) ranks.


These are the people protecting you and your family. Take a step back and think about that before you insult their character for ďtakingĒ a job from a non-mil pilot. For every Guard/Reserve pilot willing to forego the much better lifestyle of an airline pilot to continue to serve, the retention of their seniority and a military retirement are the least you can do to say thanks.


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I get it, but it seems disingenuous to apply for a job you have no intention of working . . . until you wrap up your military obligation. There are applicants who are being picked over for a person who doesnít intend to fly for AA- yet. As a civilian Iím not allowed by AA to do any outside flying for hire/compensation. But the guard guys are protected by the military management we have nestled deep into our(dare I say) ranks.
When people that are in the guard/reserves are hired, they are not on active duty when they start with AA. The guard and reserve have requirements to be met, and the newly hired individuals are part of the pool of military bodies to fill requirements.

To say the "guard guys are protected by military management..." is a pretty ignorant statement. US military flight training is arguably one of the best pilot training processes in the world. Maybe this is why the airlines like a hire a few of them.
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Old 10-14-2019, 08:12 PM   #19  
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I knew it wouldn't take long to devolve into "how dare you insult military pilots," "military pilots are the best," and my favorite "we protect your family!" I've flown with many military-trained pilots over my last 14 years. They're no better or worse than any other professionally-trained aviator. I stand by my previous statement that it's a double-dipping racket, especially by those who avoid commuting for reserve with mil leave until they can hold what they want. P.S.- I'm married to a retired Army veteran so please spare me the education on how the reserve works. Even she thinks it's a racket!
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I knew it wouldn't take long to devolve into "how dare you insult military pilots," "military pilots are the best," and my favorite "we protect your family!" I've flown with many military-trained pilots over my last 14 years. They're no better or worse than any other professionally-trained aviator. I stand by my previous statement that it's a double-dipping racket, especially by those who avoid commuting for reserve with mil leave until they can hold what they want. P.S.- I'm married to a retired Army veteran so please spare me the education on how the reserve works. Even she thinks it's a racket!


First, you nailed your screen name. Second, how do you work the rudder while youíre wearing those clown shoes?

Much respect to your wife. Too bad I canít respect her enough for the both of you.


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