Yes PSA. But If it sounds about right, you’re making my point then. These people go to AA, and you seem to not want them there. But there’s no filter to flush them out.

 

So tell us again how long you have been at AA? You must have been hired outside the flow. Tell all of us lazy flows how you managed to be such a superior candidate than the rest of us.

Looking at your post history you don’t even work at AA, so you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

I saw it sitting there high centered, can confirm.

 

So you were hired in the 90s?
Back then going to Eagle was right up there with the kiss of death trying to go to AA.

I have meet and known guys from Eagle that couldn't go elsewhere for various reasons. If it wasn't for the flow, they would still be stuck at the commuters or the non-skeds.

In short, there needs to be a better mechanism for screening to the majors rather than just working at one of the wholly owneds for "X years". (spare me the comment of working at a WO is one long job interview)

On the L-US side, they still had to interview.

 

No, sorry the flow did exist with the 824 when I got hired at Eagle, but it didn't exist for new hires. That's what I meant. When I went to eagle I didn't plan on having a flow agreement. I was part of the protected pilots and that agreement didn't exist yet. Either way, I'm not sure why that matters. I was just making a point that for some people AA is their first choice. The reason we flow isn't because we can't get hired elsewhere. Some people were making it out be that if we were worth hiring that Delta and United would have already hired us, so the pool of flows were of lesser quality. Maybe some guys can't get hired because they don't have a degree or something but who cares. As long as they are a good pilot, I'm not sure why a fellow line pilot would care about that.

As long as the flows are good pilots and good to work with, which I'm sure the overwhelming majority are, then I don't see why so many people are against it. I'm not sure where the idea that some people are good enough for the regionals but not the majors comes from. Get over yourself. It's the same job just different aircraft. I worked with a lot of people at Eagle over the years and 99% were great to work with. I never had any problems getting along with anyone, so I seriously doubt those same people are going to be terrible to work with at AA.

I'm sure there are some "bad apples" occasionally that get through, but don't kid yourself and pretend like they are only the flows and without the flows that would never happen. I bet its a very small percentage. If it was a major problem, then I'm sure the flow would have already stopped.

 

I am not at AA, and my posts clearly say “what I saw at the wholly owned.” Having been at one for a few years and having many friends at AA, I’d say I know a little about the things I mentioned. I’m guessing you’re a flow such as I described and that I struck a nerve?

The currents guys flowing are actually the good ones who got stuck in the regionals due to bankruptcies, age 65, and all of the previous things. They weren’t hired during the current regional interview process of scraping the bottom of the barrel. Those will flow in a couple years however, and I think that’s when people are going to really want to tear the flow agreements apart.

 

Well you worked at 1 wholly owned, which the majority of flows don't come from. You said that most flows are lazy slobs and that we don't care about the company. None of that is true. You clearly don't know what you are talking about. So you come on here and insult several thousand people you don't know and have never worked with and wonder why I might take offense to that?

 

Lol like the guy above, who I’m guessing is AA now, wanted to attack the people who have worked at PSA and say “sounds about right?” His angst towards an entire pilot group is humorous because guess what? Thanks to the flow, he will be working with that pilot group (the ones he clearly despised) for the rest of his career. Not sure if you’re reading comprehension is off but I was saying what I saw at a single wholly owned. People that i WORKED WITH. Then the second part where I said the current flows aren’t the issue or the ones I’m really talking about as opposed to the upcoming years of pilots that will be flowing. I’ve yet to hear an argument against what I’ve said. Instead just attacks towards me at what I’d seen at my time over there.

 

Lus hired guys with high school diplomas. Talk about a talent pool. The best of the best.

 

When you come into an American forum and start talking about "most of the flows" that doesn't just mean the small number of people you worked with at PSA. You didn't even make it clear that you don't currently work at AA. Therefore, you don't have any idea what most of the flows are like. Maybe the PSA flows are bad, but they are definitely not most. The PSA guys in my class seemed normal.

Also, the thread is about stopping the flow immediately. Well if the flows are good right now then why would we need to stop it immediately? All the flows have to complete a probation year and if they are as bad as you say then they won't make it through anyway.

Since you don't work at AA, I'm not sure why you are here arguing about it. Whether or not AA keeps the flow programs in the future or not, I don't really care. The comments about people that have flowed are lazy or somehow below average are not true though. If it is in the future, then I'm sure AA will address it.