The AA Flow-Thru Agreements MUST END
11-19-2019 | 01:31 PM
#121
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This whole thread is a prime example of why pilots will never beat lawyers at the negotiating table. We get caught in hypothetical crap. 12 pages of nonsense, pure speculation and opinions (opinions that mean nothing at the end of the day). 12 pages of in the weeds garbage.
Managememt could care less what a line pilot thinks of the flow, either for it or against it. Unions don’t care what a line pilot thinks of the flow, either for or against it. What a waste of time. Here’s the bottom line
THE FLOW IS NOT GOING AWAY AND IT WILL NOT BE CHANGED TO SUIT SOME LINE PILOTS OPINIONS!!
How bout we focus on the task at hand (section 6 negotiations) instead playing “if I was king for day” distractions
Managememt could care less what a line pilot thinks of the flow, either for it or against it. Unions don’t care what a line pilot thinks of the flow, either for or against it. What a waste of time. Here’s the bottom line
THE FLOW IS NOT GOING AWAY AND IT WILL NOT BE CHANGED TO SUIT SOME LINE PILOTS OPINIONS!!
How bout we focus on the task at hand (section 6 negotiations) instead playing “if I was king for day” distractions
11-19-2019 | 03:04 PM
#123
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This whole thread is a prime example of why pilots will never beat lawyers at the negotiating table. We get caught in hypothetical crap. 12 pages of nonsense, pure speculation and opinions (opinions that mean nothing at the end of the day). 12 pages of in the weeds garbage.
Managememt could care less what a line pilot thinks of the flow, either for it or against it. Unions don’t care what a line pilot thinks of the flow, either for or against it. What a waste of time. Here’s the bottom line
THE FLOW IS NOT GOING AWAY AND IT WILL NOT BE CHANGED TO SUIT SOME LINE PILOTS OPINIONS!!
How bout we focus on the task at hand (section 6 negotiations) instead playing “if I was king for day” distractions
Managememt could care less what a line pilot thinks of the flow, either for it or against it. Unions don’t care what a line pilot thinks of the flow, either for or against it. What a waste of time. Here’s the bottom line
THE FLOW IS NOT GOING AWAY AND IT WILL NOT BE CHANGED TO SUIT SOME LINE PILOTS OPINIONS!!
How bout we focus on the task at hand (section 6 negotiations) instead playing “if I was king for day” distractions
11-19-2019 | 03:06 PM
#124
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From: Nunya
All I'm saying is, the current make up is 50% military. My comment was related to the mindset of regional guys at this time as there are many talented and smart pilots at the AA WOs who recognize that right now that is just about their only way to get in the door.
Do you really believe that AA is going to try to go through the legal trouble of nullifying three legal documents with three companies chock full of pilots they need in seats in the future?
Do you really believe that AA is going to try to go through the legal trouble of nullifying three legal documents with three companies chock full of pilots they need in seats in the future?
11-19-2019 | 05:36 PM
#125
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The issue here isn’t hires rule, flow-ers drool.
It’s more like first-round draft pick versus second. Imagine if the saints signed The whole freshman class at Alabama, but anyone who had a first round draft pick could go elsewhere.
It’s more like first-round draft pick versus second. Imagine if the saints signed The whole freshman class at Alabama, but anyone who had a first round draft pick could go elsewhere.
11-19-2019 | 06:09 PM
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That’s assuming all flows have been turned down by every other legacy, which isn’t true. You just assume that no other airline would want us. Some like myself wanted to go to AA over United or Delta. I didn’t waste my time applying to jobs I didn’t want. That doesn’t mean I couldn’t have ever gotten those jobs. We all know that pretty much the only reliable way to AA as a civilian is to flow. I’m not sure why people care, the flows are just as qualified as anyone else.
11-19-2019 | 06:21 PM
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What are the usual metrics? Envoy flows have been flying American planes and passengers for about a decade already. If I’m qualified enough to be a LCA and captain at Envoy, I’m qualified enough to be a 737 or 320 FO at AA. I bet that the average flows qualifications are on par with what Delta and United hire guys with.
I also knew of several regional FO’s over the years that got hired at Delta and United with 0 TPIC, the flows are much more qualified than that.
I also knew of several regional FO’s over the years that got hired at Delta and United with 0 TPIC, the flows are much more qualified than that.
Last edited by EagleVol; 11-19-2019 at 06:58 PM.
11-20-2019 | 04:38 AM
#129
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11-20-2019 | 05:16 AM
#130
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I don’t mean to come off as entitled, but a lot of people in this thread are implying that if you are a flow then you are undeserving of being here and no one else would hire us. I was just pointing out that not all flows are flowing because this is the only way we can get to a legacy airline. A lot of us flow because we want to work at AA and the flow is how you do it as a civilian.
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