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sanicom3205 08-25-2020 07:24 AM
Originally Posted by Saabs (Post 3115756)
that overstuffing was based on numbers from what March or April? The recovery hasn’t happened since then and they were counting on it. To use numbers quoted back then wouldn’t be fair to the pilot group or even the company.
So it's a pure coincidence huh? The company said they would be overstaffed by 1,600. Then they furlough 1,600. And it's a coincidence.

MEFLIGHT 08-25-2020 07:30 AM
Originally Posted by El Peso (Post 3115749)
1600 pilots. It’s official. Let’s keep our fingers crossed for Cares II.
Not official yet, the word is "anticipated". I'm just saying.

pangolin 08-25-2020 07:50 AM
Originally Posted by El Peso (Post 3115749)
1600 pilots. It’s official. Let’s keep our fingers crossed for Cares II.
Man I wish. But you have SWA, SPIRIT, JET BLUE all saying no involuntary furloughs even without Cares 2. No word of furloughs at SKY WEST either. So is PSP 2.0 needed? Or is it just propping up the big 3?

Downtime 08-25-2020 09:25 AM
Originally Posted by Saabs (Post 3115756)
that overstuffing was based on numbers from what March or April? The recovery hasn’t happened since then and they were counting on it. To use numbers quoted back then wouldn’t be fair to the pilot group or even the company.

Yeah read the memo they were gonna furlough over 2100 and we mitigated it back to the starting point.

Dobbs18 08-25-2020 09:48 AM
So 1,605 pilots being involuntarily furloughed along with 522 ZTL in lieu of furlough pilots makes 2,127 on either a regular furlough or a ZTL furlough...So what was the starting point of furloughs for the company??? 2,500 or 2,300??? how many did these measures SAVE anyone from being furloughed or pushed into a ZTL?

Saabs 08-25-2020 09:49 AM
Originally Posted by sanicom3205 (Post 3115758)
So it's a pure coincidence huh? The company said they would be overstaffed by 1,600. Then they furlough 1,600. And it's a coincidence.
I thought it was 1605? Sounds like a coincidence to me. No clue about any ZTL numbers or any of that stuff. I thought it was gonna be way worse than it was.

FeedTheYote 08-25-2020 09:53 AM
Missed it by that much! Guess I’ll go learn how to weld or maybe try some of that new fangled computer hacking programmer coding the kids are all talking about.

Al Czervik 08-25-2020 10:12 AM
Originally Posted by FeedTheYote (Post 3115897)
Missed it by that much! Guess I’ll go learn how to weld or maybe try some of that new fangled computer hacking programmer coding the kids are all talking about.
sorry to hear. hopefully this will be short.

Flyboy2020 08-25-2020 10:16 AM
Originally Posted by Dobbs18 (Post 3115891)
So 1,605 pilots being involuntarily furloughed along with 522 ZTL in lieu of furlough pilots makes 2,127 on either a regular furlough or a ZTL furlough...So what was the starting point of furloughs for the company??? 2,500 or 2,300??? how many did these measures SAVE anyone from being furloughed or pushed into a ZTL?
And what about the month on/month off option? Where is that?

Battlinbear 08-25-2020 11:44 AM
Originally Posted by Flyboy2020 (Post 3115917)
And what about the month on/month off option? Where is that?
Right. or maybe the permanent leaves. Yea... about that... Solid LOAs that were so good they got approved 20-0

Least they can do now is push AA to Mmax every month to 80


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