Okay, point taken. I think all need to take a step back and stop blaming each other.

DFW put out an update the other day and it sounds like the company and new NC are talking. I'm hoping they can come up with some innovative mitigation.

Temporary scope relief in exchange for temporary furlough protection. That’s an educated guess.

Yup, Feta absolutely made an overly broad, incendiary comment here in this very thread two days ago, so I get rdneckpilot's pushback - and rdneckpilot even prefaces his comments by stating he's about 15 pilots from the bottom of his seniority list, so absolutely the very first to go.

To quote Feta:

Can't say I disagree with rdneckpilot's post.

Maybe we can just stop with the overly broad generalizations here and the propensity to throw whole groups of people under the bus

absolutely

this is a turd sandwich for everyone. We work in a seniority system. Some will eat more of that sandwich than others. I’m at the very bottom of my list. I think at my age and relative seniority it may mean I will never come back to 121 ops. I chose my career and how I’ve structured my life. If I don’t like how it’s worked out all I need to do is look in the mirror and complain. I have friends scattered all over this industry and I’m former PSA. I split ahead of flow for a LCC. Those were my choices. No one else’s. I don’t expect the senior guys here to save my bacon. I expect them do do their level best to protect that contract so if I can come back I have a career with having.


Just my opinion. It’s worth what it cost you.

I see a lot of guys/gals facing this stressful time with not a lot of optimism. I’ve been at 5 airlines and I’ve had some very stressful times. At 42 I moved into my parents basement with my wife and 2 young kids!

having survived the dot com bust, 9-11, SARS, GFC, and more, I’ve seen my different airlines suffer financial disasters that impacted my life in a financially negative way (but also with some positives). I think it’s the uncertainty that was most difficult to deal with. We are trained to approach a problem and “fix” it with a solution designed by engineers. These times are uncertain and it’s the complete unknown that induces such incredible stress. There is no “fix.”

I share this because as an older and wiser person I realize how I could have made things a little less stressful in those unknown times. Checking APC every 5 min for news or looking on company web boards won’t do anything for your sanity. The reality is we have very little control in life.

This time will pass and things will improve. I was flying at age 26 as a 767 copilot and I thought I had made it! Little did I expect that I’d still be a 767 copilot at 50 (with several airlines in between). Things have worked out okay and although it’s been a long road, I wouldn’t trade my history for a different one. The slower times had some benefits that I never anticipated. In the end, time passes, things pick up, and there is progression and you’re bidding with better seniority.

get off APC and walk the dog, go for a hike, or call a friend. I needed something a little more upbeat to read and so I’m reading “Lessons From Lucy,” by Dave Barry. It’s a fun read.

hang in there!

I'd say it's all about the language thats negotiated. Line holder guarantee is currently ALV -7, so a straight ALV reduction would lower the minimum guarantee a like amount. Counting on the availability of open time isn't a sure thing either. And if they lower the reserve guarantee's, that is most defiantly a concession for everyone thats stuck on reserve for what could end up being several more years.

I didn’t think the Contract had reserve guarantee as a percentage or formula of ALV like Deltas? It’s a hard number I thought? I’ll look it up later after watching Yellowstone.


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It is a hard number.

Also let’s remember that a lower ALV was something the NC was targeting in S6. It’s a QoL enhancer as well as a job creater.

its not a concession on reserve if they also lower the number of reserve days per pilot. Yes working the same amount for less pay is a concession, but working less isn’t.

That’s what i thought. Maybe Nimslow is a delta guy. I think the only person against lowering ALV is Texaspilot. I’d love to have 65-75 hrs a month.


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