Originally Posted by FetaCheese (Post 3098214)

Yeah, I don't get some of these older generation guys. It's almost like they want everyone to go through as much suffering as possible to make themselves feel better.

And I'm one of those in a bad position. We don't live outside our means at all. Still live in the same house we bought when I was a regional FO. Down to one car payment, one credit card, and one son in private school.
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If the worst happens and I get furloughed though, I'm done. House will have to be sold. Son pulled from school. I've been looking for jobs outside aviation-because that's all we can realistically hope for-and I'll be lucky to make $17 an hour. That's just a little over $2,000 a month. Assuming my wife (who'll have to go back to work) makes the same..that's a whopping $4,000 per month. Working a 9 to 5 or retail job.

Yeah..it's BS. And the lack of sympathy makes it worse. The feeling that nobody outside the furlough group gives a F* twists the knife even further. This isn't a game. It isn't funny. Senior guys making north of $300,000 for multiple years now wouldn't miss a beat by lowering the ALV, or lowering RSV guarantee.. anything that would save their fellow pilots.

But no. They'd rather drink their beers, trim their walrus moustaches while chuckling about us "paying our dues". I can't wait for our generation of pilots to replace them.

Originally Posted by R57 relay (Post 3098534)

Did you see Texas pilot(or whatever his screen name is) say that reducing the ALV was a concession and he was out? Not sure how old he is, but don't think he's too senior.

I'm thinking most guys posting on here these days are junior, but many read it. Be careful about crapping on those that you might need.

Originally Posted by R57 relay (Post 3098533)

I think it may be age and/or seniority related, but don't think it's generational.

I have seen the same thing over and over in my career. When someone is under the gun , they are willing to do whatever. When they aren't, they don't care. Not everyone, but a lot.

How many junior guys gave a flip about the seniority situation? I had a 20 something telling me how great his career was going to be and that us geezers needed to "just get over" the seniority issues. It didn't affect him, he didn't care. I won't hold that, and the many derogatory comments I've heard about my group on here, change my attitude. I want us all to have a job.

Originally Posted by R57 relay (Post 3098533)

I think it may be age and/or seniority related, but don't think it's generational.

I have seen the same thing over and over in my career. When someone is under the gun , they are willing to do whatever. When they aren't, they don't care. Not everyone, but a lot.

How many junior guys gave a flip about the seniority situation? I had a 20 something telling me how great his career was going to be and that us geezers needed to "just get over" the seniority issues. It didn't affect him, he didn't care. I won't hold that, and the many derogatory comments I've heard about my group on here, change my attitude. I want us all to have a job.

Originally Posted by R57 relay (Post 3098533)

How many junior guys gave a flip about the seniority situation? I had a 20 something telling me how great his career was going to be and that us geezers needed to "just get over" the seniority issues. It didn't affect him, he didn't care. I won't hold that, and the many derogatory comments I've heard about my group on here, change my attitude. I want us all to have a job.

Originally Posted by sanicom3205 (Post 3098670)

We appreciate those that have our backs. For the record, the guy you describe is just as big of a db as the senior crowd that couldn’t care less about furloughs. Although the twa conversations are all pretty much exactly the same, as a young guy I try to listen and learn from each one of their perspectives.

Was this dude a student? That takes some cajones.

Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 3098341)

Soooooo, should we add Saabs to list? Sheesh.

Originally Posted by R57 relay (Post 3098681)

Yeah, the dbs are spread throughout the list. He wasn't a student, we were just flying a line trip.

I was encouraged by the leaves. It seemed that we finally tried something different, and they seem to benefit both sides. That's why I was frustrated with the NC debacle. But hopefully the new committee will build on the previous committee's work and come up with mutually beneficial plans.

Originally Posted by Route66 (Post 3098625)

Here here. It’s the same ole same ole....every pilot for themselves. If pilots from ALL unions knew what was good for them, their families and the profession (which they don’t) they should be fighting for a national seniority list. Alas, shortsightedness, ignorance and lack of historical memory is their downfall.

Originally Posted by pangolin (Post 3098768)

Single seniority list only works if there’s a single airline.

Originally Posted by Route66 (Post 3098772)

Wrong. There has been several ways to approach it but guys like you can’t see outside the box. Even Behneke approached it but greed, not a single airline, prevented this.