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sanicom3205 07-25-2020 05:00 AM


Originally Posted by Arado 234 (Post 3098757)
Saabs isn't supposed to post. He's on a leave. ;)



Today's dbs come in all shapes and forms and it depends from where. Eagle has a certain rep, I think there are a couple from PSA etc., but I have been lucky and most FOs where a pleasure to fly with. But there's gossip from the young guy to tell the old timer to get out of his seat to the senior captain demanding the FOs to keep their hand on the side stick until 10,000 feet.

Speaking of: I think there are at least five FOs and CAs out there that will persuade and prevent you (or try very hard) eating the crew meal beef, because of the methane conspiracy.

I miss flying the line :(​​​​​​.

Beef?? How long have you been out? All they feed us is cheese. Breakfast? Cheese. Lunch? Cheese. Side of soggy sandwich.

I’ve had more cheese the past four months than the rest of my life combined. Probably a pound a trip.

FlyyGuyy 07-25-2020 05:02 AM


Originally Posted by sanicom3205 (Post 3098792)
Beef?? How long have you been out? All they feed us is cheese. Breakfast? Cheese. Lunch? Cheese. Side of soggy sandwich.

I’ve had more cheese the past four months than the rest of my life combined. Probably a pound a trip.


These new crew meals so to speak are disgusting. There's not even age statements on any of it.

Varks 07-25-2020 05:11 AM

I’m afraid the next generation will be no different. For some reason I read The Line. It’s not healthy. The battles that happen there are really sophomoric and petty. Why these people battle the way they do is beyond me. I find the AArena much more palatable. Moderators are quick to stop political stuff.

As for senior people not caring about the junior people. That will never change. I suppose I am one of the old senior pilots now however I feel the pain of our junior pilots. I hope we can mitigate many of the possible furloughs. Hang in there.

hockeypilot44 07-25-2020 05:35 AM


Originally Posted by pangolin (Post 3098774)
One airline needs to shrink. So we furlough from a different airline? OBVIOUSLY makes no sense. So ... there’s really no point to it. It prevents guys getting low pay starting over. Ok that’s one good thing ... maybe.

I've always said we need to get rid of the longevity scales in our contracts. A national seniority list will never happen. It never seemed fair to me that a new hire 737 first officer made way less than a 12 year 737 first officer doing the exact same job. We need a national pay scale. Then you can start over without the enormous pay hit. Vacation and sick leave could still go on longevity. Bidding still by seniority, but to me the hourly rate should be identical for guys flying in the same seat. This would also keep startups at bay. These days all startups start under the same premise. Take advantage of the labor cost advantage you get from hiring all new employees.

We have pilots saying they love longevity, but think all seats at an airline should pay the same (like UPS). This is backwards if you ask me. Anyhow, like a national seniority list, it will never happen.

FetaCheese 07-25-2020 05:47 AM


Originally Posted by Varks (Post 3098802)
I’m afraid the next generation will be no different. For some reason I read The Line. It’s not healthy. The battles that happen there are really sophomoric and petty. Why these people battle the way they do is beyond me. I find the AArena much more palatable. Moderators are quick to stop political stuff.

As for senior people not caring about the junior people. That will never change. I suppose I am one of the old senior pilots now however I feel the pain of our junior pilots. I hope we can mitigate many of the possible furloughs. Hang in there.

Thanks, buddy. I know there's plenty of you out there. I for one will definitely pay it forward down the line when I'm a senior guy and the junior pilots are facing the next storm.

Downtime 07-25-2020 08:21 AM


Originally Posted by sanicom3205 (Post 3098167)
My thoughts exactly. This whole experience with a looming furlough has changed the way I think. I’m in a good position to weather this, but I can’t imagine having kids and a mortgage, college payments etc. I feel for these guys. I come from an airline family and I understand many guys have been through the ringer, but to go through any type of hardship and come away thinking that it’s some type of right of passage and to feel no sympathy is pathetic.

I think the new cadre will be better human beings.

Yeah this. I don’t have any kids and the wife makes good money. That said I have plenty of friends Here that are new moms and dads and they are the only income earner. I don’t want to see the stress this will cause their families.

sanicom3205 07-25-2020 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by Downtime (Post 3098956)
Yeah this. I don’t have any kids and the wife makes good money. That said I have plenty of friends Here that are new moms and dads and they are the only income earner. I don’t want to see the stress this will cause their families.

You could have done everything right and still be screwed. Put money away, bought a house well within your means, retirement savings.... there is no way to be early in your career and be prepared for this.

What makes it even better is the people who think we can get jobs lined up for October. No one will hire you when you don't even know if you'll be available. No one will hire you when they know you will be recalled within two years. No regional is hiring. There are very few jobs available that pay better than a CFI. We will be hosed, and anyone convincing themselves otherwise is just trying to make themselves feel better about what they're about to do.

Downtime 07-25-2020 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by sanicom3205 (Post 3098963)
You could have done everything right and still be screwed. Put money away, bought a house well within your means, retirement savings.... there is no way to be early in your career and be prepared for this.

What makes it even better is the people who think we can get jobs lined up for October. No one will hire you when you don't even know if you'll be available. No one will hire you when they know you will be recalled within two years. No regional is hiring. There are very few jobs available that pay better than a CFI. We will be hosed, and anyone convincing themselves otherwise is just trying to make themselves feel better about what they're about to do.


I know. I think to the bigger topic sometimes lack of empathy is a huge problem with society as a whole. Same as the young guys who were eyeing the triple from their 737 window on probation. Have empathy for the guys who’s career didn’t work out the way they planned.

Al Czervik 07-25-2020 09:35 AM


Originally Posted by Downtime (Post 3098966)
I know. I think to the bigger topic sometimes lack of empathy is a huge problem with society as a whole. Same as the young guys who were eyeing the triple from their 737 window on probation. Have empathy for the guys who’s career didn’t work out the way they planned.

I eye the metro bus drivers from my 737 window.

Saabs 07-25-2020 01:00 PM


Originally Posted by iHateAMR (Post 3098338)
So one must hate the current company only and not the previous company? Sorry, I missed that memo, I will create a new screen name to reflect hate towards the new company that hasn’t done anything wrong to me because you’re offended. I wish the TOC would just spell out that I need to create a new screen name every time AA goes bankrupt. Douchebag.

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