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Originally Posted by Al Czervik
(Post 3275335)
The 737 is gonna the the hot thing for the 787 guys. ELP is the new Athens.
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Originally Posted by sanicom3205
(Post 3275238)
The majority of countries are going to require you to be vaccinated prior to entry as a foreign national. Do these guys truly believe that American Airlines, an international carrier, is going to create a separate special bid status for pilots who refuse the vaccine to keep them from crossing boarders? It’s laughable to imagine it for narrowbody pilots, and an absolute riot when applying that logic to widebody statuses.
I know it’s been decades since most of these guys have been to college - and they probably aren’t involved with the lives of their estranged children from their first marriage - but colleges require inoculations and records prior to admission. That includes MMR, HPV, Meningitis, influenza, Hep B….. soon covid. Get a grip on reality guys. |
Originally Posted by PRS Guitars
(Post 3275738)
It’s experimental still, lots of unknowns about long term issues. I do not support mandates on this…and out of the question for children, the risk reward calculation favor unvaxxed by a mile for kids. and I am vaxxed for what it’s worth.
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Originally Posted by sanicom3205
(Post 3275238)
The majority of countries are going to require you to be vaccinated prior to entry as a foreign national. Do these guys truly believe that American Airlines, an international carrier, is going to create a separate special bid status for pilots who refuse the vaccine to keep them from crossing boarders? It’s laughable to imagine it for narrowbody pilots, and an absolute riot when applying that logic to widebody statuses.
I know it’s been decades since most of these guys have been to college - and they probably aren’t involved with the lives of their estranged children from their first marriage - but colleges require inoculations and records prior to admission. That includes MMR, HPV, Meningitis, influenza, Hep B….. soon covid. Get a grip on reality guys. |
Originally Posted by Skyward
(Post 3275769)
Covd vax is not yet FDA approved. The others are and have been tested over a long period of time. It is not the same.
As for legality, it seems that there is pretty solid precedent for an employer to require vaccinations. Plus you can bet that United wouldn't announce something like this if their legal team weren't pretty confident it'd hold up in court. Now I'm sure there'll be waivers and exceptions, but since I imagine most other countries will require incoming foreigners to be vaccinated that'll be more complicated. I find it hard to imagine an airline giving non vaccinated crew members a special domestic bid option, but who knows. |
You guys can tell yourselves whatever you want, it’s not going to change reality.
Good luck in court https://apnews.com/article/health-co...fa371675f8c617 Supreme Court precedent in Jacobson V. Massachusetts. Roll up those sleeves boys |
Sanicom is correct. Additionally, contractual force majeure specifically considers, epidemics, so a contractual challenge is likely to fail.
Force majeure is a common clause in contracts which essentially frees both parties from liability or obligation when an extraordinary event or circumstance beyond the control of the parties, such as a war, strike, riot, crime, epidemic or sudden legal changes prevents one or both parties from fulfilling their obligations under the contract. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_majeure https://www.akerman.com/en/perspecti...contracts.html |
Originally Posted by sanicom3205
(Post 3275801)
You guys can tell yourselves whatever you want, it’s not going to change reality.
Good luck in court https://apnews.com/article/health-co...fa371675f8c617 Supreme Court precedent in Jacobson V. Massachusetts. Roll up those sleeves boys |
Originally Posted by Wingedbeast
(Post 3275962)
Doubtful. If anything they will just be required to quarantine. No nation has vax mandates for aircrews or is even talking about it.
Again, you can delude yourself into thinking whatever you want if it helps you sleep at night for the next couple weeks. Reality looms |
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