Airline Pilot Central Forums

Airline Pilot Central Forums (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/)
-   American (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/american/)
-   -   It's Time... For ALPA. (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/american/131492-its-time-alpa.html)

NuGuy 08-13-2021 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by Arado 234 (Post 3278149)
Could fences be a solution? Let's say 5 years from APA to management for certain APA positions.

Union to management types of agreements are generally held to be illegal and they don't hold up. All you can do is "suggest", and in any event. anyone looking to switch sides won't have any compunction in "pressing to test" on that, because it's all about them and their good deal.

The management to union switch is even more heavily restricted. You can't prevent any member in good standing from running for a position.

Spin 08-13-2021 10:20 AM

I always wondered why you guys didn't go with ALPA after the merger.

biigD 08-13-2021 11:28 AM


Originally Posted by Spin (Post 3278914)
I always wondered why you guys didn't go with ALPA after the merger.

Same reason all sorts of decisions are made around here: "Because this is the way we've always done it!"

chrisreedrules 08-13-2021 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by biigD (Post 3278952)
Same reason all sorts of decisions are made around here: "Because this is the way we've always done it!"

Because an entity as big as ALPA is often interested in certain things that go beyond the individual needs of one specific airline. Now at ALPA, Delta and United are the big fish and they set a lot of the tone. So it’s safe to assume that if American were part of ALPA its needs would be prominent. But nothing changes the fact that as APA, the needs of your pilots and your airline are heard and catered to individually. Sure you may pay for certain services or what have you through ALPA National, but in the end your representatives represent you. No one else.

ACEssXfer 08-13-2021 07:59 PM


Originally Posted by biigD (Post 3278952)
Same reason all sorts of decisions are made around here: "Because this is the way we've always done it!"

There are too many pilots here that got hired in their early 20s 35 years ago who have had 1 job in civilian aviation: AA. They lack perspective and outside the box thinking. They are great pilots and extremely valuable crew members but we'll never have an ILC while they are still here.

ACEssXfer 08-13-2021 08:02 PM


Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 3279016)
Because an entity as big as ALPA is often interested in certain things that go beyond the individual needs of one specific airline. Now at ALPA, Delta and United are the big fish and they set a lot of the tone. So it’s safe to assume that if American were part of ALPA its needs would be prominent. But nothing changes the fact that as APA, the needs of your pilots and your airline are heard and catered to individually. Sure you may pay for certain services or what have you through ALPA National, but in the end your representatives represent you. No one else.

You have much to learn about APA and it's structure.

AAL24 08-14-2021 10:02 AM


Originally Posted by ACEssXfer (Post 3279184)
There are too many pilots here that got hired in their early 20s 35 years ago who have had 1 job in civilian aviation: AA. They lack perspective and outside the box thinking. They are great pilots and extremely valuable crew members but we'll never have an ILC while they are still here.

You nailed it. ☝️

chrisreedrules 08-14-2021 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by ACEssXfer (Post 3279188)
You have much to learn about APA and it's structure.

I may know more than you realize 🙄

El Peso 08-14-2021 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by ACEssXfer (Post 3279184)
There are too many pilots here that got hired in their early 20s 35 years ago who have had 1 job in civilian aviation: AA. They lack perspective and outside the box thinking. They are great pilots and extremely valuable crew members but we'll never have an ILC while they are still here.

Whenever we sign a contract, in god knows how long, we’re still entitled to back pay starting on 1/1/2020 right? That hasn’t changed correct?

TankerDriver 08-14-2021 05:57 PM


Originally Posted by Skyward (Post 3275769)
Covd vax is not yet FDA approved. The others are and have been tested over a long period of time. It is not the same.

Not to turn this into a vaccination debate. If you don't feel comfortable getting it, don't. I didn't initially, but after about 6 months, I decided to do it.

What is your definition of a "long period of time"? Is there a medical standard you know of? Do you have a sweet spot timeframe where you all of a sudden become comfortable with a vaccine? Almost two billion people have been fully vaccinated with one of the various versions of the COVID vaccines over the past 8 months or so. Most serious side effects from vaccinations occur within weeks of getting them. Do some people get rare side effects? Of course. Every vaccine has them, including the ones we have been administering for decades.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/s...ting-the-shot-

Most people don't even read the side of boxes for various OTC medicines we take everyday. They can all cause side effects. Stomach ulcers, kidney failure, Down Syndrom, liver failure, high blood pressure, etc, but we take them without even thinking. Why is this vaccine so different aside from someone mandating a requirement to have it?


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 02:10 PM.


Website Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands