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Originally Posted by EagleVol
(Post 3173182)
I think APA has made it pretty clear, they don’t really have any interest in mitigating furloughs.
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Originally Posted by ERAUAV8TR
(Post 3173184)
thats sick
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Originally Posted by EagleVol
(Post 3173182)
I think APA has made it pretty clear, they don’t really have any interest in mitigating furloughs.
It's an absolute disgrace that a guy can do 10-11 years at AAG/Envoy, transfer to AAG/AA and then find himself furloughed APA needs to think longer term. This will happen again someday. Fix it now. |
Originally Posted by Cujo665
(Post 3175334)
Prior to the SLI they had been working on a one list plan. If that had been completed back in 2013, nobody currently at AA would have been furloughed. Now, it would take fences and be more complicated, but with the fence set to vanish once the last new hire after DOS moves up from RJ's the fences would go away and you'd have one list, and never face furlough after having 5-10 years already working for AAG.
It's an absolute disgrace that a guy can do 10-11 years at AAG/Envoy, transfer to AAG/AA and then find himself furloughed APA needs to think longer term. This will happen again someday. Fix it now. |
Originally Posted by Cujo665
(Post 3175334)
Prior to the SLI they had been working on a one list plan. If that had been completed back in 2013, nobody currently at AA would have been furloughed. Now, it would take fences and be more complicated, but with the fence set to vanish once the last new hire after DOS moves up from RJ's the fences would go away and you'd have one list, and never face furlough after having 5-10 years already working for AAG.
It's an absolute disgrace that a guy can do 10-11 years at AAG/Envoy, transfer to AAG/AA and then find himself furloughed APA needs to think longer term. This will happen again someday. Fix it now. |
Originally Posted by watch
(Post 3177004)
how would this work with someone who was hired off the street at AA this year? Would a Jan 2020 hired off the street be furloughed, but the 10 year Envoy flow in that same class would flow back?
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
(Post 3175334)
Prior to the SLI they had been working on a one list plan. If that had been completed back in 2013, nobody currently at AA would have been furloughed. Now, it would take fences and be more complicated, but with the fence set to vanish once the last new hire after DOS moves up from RJ's the fences would go away and you'd have one list, and never face furlough after having 5-10 years already working for AAG.
It's an absolute disgrace that a guy can do 10-11 years at AAG/Envoy, transfer to AAG/AA and then find himself furloughed APA needs to think longer term. This will happen again someday. Fix it now. |
Originally Posted by Cujo665
(Post 3175334)
Prior to the SLI they had been working on a one list plan. If that had been completed back in 2013, nobody currently at AA would have been furloughed. Now, it would take fences and be more complicated, but with the fence set to vanish once the last new hire after DOS moves up from RJ's the fences would go away and you'd have one list, and never face furlough after having 5-10 years already working for AAG.
It's an absolute disgrace that a guy can do 10-11 years at AAG/Envoy, transfer to AAG/AA and then find himself furloughed APA needs to think longer term. This will happen again someday. Fix it now. |
Originally Posted by Cujo665
(Post 3175334)
...you'd have one list...
It's an absolute disgrace that a guy can do 10-11 years at AAG/Envoy, transfer to AAG/AA and then find himself furloughed And how would this one list work? As an example, could the 20 year Envoy/AE pilot suddenly decide to become a 787 captain at American and outbid everyone with their seniority on that one list? Should that 10-11 year Envoy pilot start at AA at 10-11 year pay? Or would it only apply to furloughs when the one year mainline AA pilot gets furloughed before the brand new, new hire? This is one of the issues with flows and parent companies, this sense of entitlement that an Envoy pilot should have special privileges over others because they flew for a regional before moving up to mainline. Seems to be a lot of entitlement attitude from the Envoy group (not all of them). Furloughs are a reality with airlines, I'm furloughed right now. Seems you want to take all the reward of moving up to mainline without taking any of the risk. Can't have it both ways. |
Originally Posted by sanicom3205
(Post 3177113)
Why is it than envoy pilots are American pilots but not the other two WO? More strenuous hiring standards I suppose?
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