But Envoy is THE original H youth.... they have a special seat at our table

17 pages in and how much closer are we to actually getting a vote for ALPA?

This is something that seriously needs to be in the works.

I remember having the One List discussion at AE around 2000. APA: “NOPE!” Of course it came back up in ‘01-‘02. APA: “YES!” BUT, I had it explained to me that it would “obviously” be a staple and all mainline furloughees would essentially push the entire AE seniority list to the street...BUT this was a good thing because when the recalls started, all former AE pilots would be returning to AA. *HOWEVER* (and this was my favorite part), once everyone was recalled AA would still be able to hire off the street pilots that would be SENIOR to the former AE pilots because “How is it fair to have a fella do a career in the military and then come to American Airlines, and have no option but to fly in the right seat of a SAAB340?”. So THAT “proposal” was obviously put in the trash and the whip-saw continued. I still laugh when I think about the cahones of the guy explaining it to me.

One list. All AA pilots are ahead in seniority of all Envoy pilots. Then the 1800 pilots hired this year and last year would flow back and displace the top 1800 pilots at envoy.

street hires at AA are automatically higher seniority than the 25 year career guy at Envoy, to include flow back rights.

is that what you’re asking for?

Is Envoy the only wholly owned airline with flow through because the pilots there are subject to more strenuous hiring standards because they are really essentially already American Airlines pilots???

You need to work on your grammar. Envoy, PSA, and Piedmont have “flow” programs in their contract.

The hiring standards working at either of the 3 regionals listed above is not even relatively close compared to the standards held for off the street hires at American Airlines.

Oh, thanks for the suggestion. I guess I could have just said that people who don’t know that there are three WO airlines with flow agreements probably should refrain from talking about the logistics of flow. Not as fun though. Have it your way....


I think if you don’t know that there are three WO airlines with flow to American that you should not convince yourself that you know enough about the finer details of these legal agreements to speak publicly about them. Happy?

Also the regional interview was much harder than the AA interview

I’m well aware of the interview process conducted at AA. I was fortunate to receive interview invites from both UA and DL, currently at Delta. The application process to be hired at any of the legacy’s requires substantially more requirements as clearly stated when you apply. It’s also a substantially more difficult and lengthy interview process, but makes it all the more rewarding.

That’s what makes the flow so desired, pilots part of the program are able to bypass the interview process. Nobody would apply to the regional WO’s if what you stated was true. If it takes the same experience to directly apply to AA why waste any time flying a clapped out E145 making subpar pay.

Anyways, you’re most likely some 19 year old envoy cadet with horrific grammar who recently just created an account to receive some answers. That’s good though, after reading your comments it’s clear you have zero grasp on the industry.

Good day

Ahhh yes, the old “my penis is bigger than yours” argument. That was rewarding, too. And pilots are now unified again.