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Old 01-10-2021, 06:06 AM
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The BLM people who peacefully marched were protesting. Those who went on a rampage and damaged and destroyed property with antifa were rioters. A few right wing nut jobs storm the capital and they’re terrorist. Left wing nut jobs burn down businesses, take over entire sections of a city, and force the evacuation of state and municipal buildings and they’re fighting an injustice. The people who rioted and looted this summer and those who rioted at the capital should all be punished to the full extent of the law.

Saying that they were there to murder the VP and take hostages is really a stretch. I’ve read reports that say that hostage taking could have possibly been a motive, but nothing remotely definitive. They were just a mob who wanted to disrupt the government in an attempt to stop the electoral votes from becoming official....... You know..... morons.
I don’t know, chanting “hang mike pence” was just for fun? Carrying armfuls of plastic handcuffs inside the chamber they just breached was just as a prop? I don’t buy that and I certainly wouldn’t call it a stretch.

Interestingly, one of the men carrying plastic handcuffs on the floor of Congress used to be on our seniority list!
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Old 01-10-2021, 09:22 AM
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I don’t know, chanting “hang mike pence” was just for fun? Carrying armfuls of plastic handcuffs inside the chamber they just breached was just as a prop? I don’t buy that and I certainly wouldn’t call it a stretch.

Interestingly, one of the men carrying plastic handcuffs on the floor of Congress used to be on our seniority list!
My friend, those BLM protesters were chanting there fair share of ruthless bigotry. You remember “Pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon", “ What do we want? dead cops! When do we want them? Now!” Of course the likes of CNN and MSNBC immediately tried to claim those protesters who chanted that bigotry were not part of the “national BLM movement” oh please..... That’s the power of the mainstream media though. They can ignore, hide, then block the chants from BLM like it never happened.

These types of clips would have been breaking news on the likes CNN if it wasn’t jeopardizing to the real agenda. https://www.air.tv/watch?v=tFFQ-heNQE6nk3SaQFe7kA

One of my favorite movies “Shooter” still holds the best line I’ve ever heard when it concerns our recent mainstream media, social media, including the likes of even Google. “The truth is what I say it is!!!!”
https://youtu.be/BlEo8PQChG4

Anyways we could probably go back and forth all day on this matter.
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Old 01-10-2021, 11:23 AM
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My friend, those BLM protesters were chanting there fair share of ruthless bigotry. You remember “Pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon", “ What do we want? dead cops! When do we want them? Now!” Of course the likes of CNN and MSNBC immediately tried to claim those protesters who chanted that bigotry were not part of the “national BLM movement” oh please..... That’s the power of the mainstream media though. They can ignore, hide, then block the chants from BLM like it never happened.

These types of clips would have been breaking news on the likes CNN if it wasn’t jeopardizing to the real agenda. https://www.air.tv/watch?v=tFFQ-heNQE6nk3SaQFe7kA

One of my favorite movies “Shooter” still holds the best line I’ve ever heard when it concerns our recent mainstream media, social media, including the likes of even Google. “The truth is what I say it is!!!!”
https://youtu.be/BlEo8PQChG4

Anyways we could probably go back and forth all day on this matter.
I am not saying people should do anything like burn buildings and destroy property, threaten to or actually hurt anyone. I am saying that acting like a giant conspiracy theory is an equal cause to racial injustice is bonkers. That’s all.

Can some of you smart people come back and talk about quantitative easement and bond yields before the wide body grandpas come and start yelling at the clouds about BLM pins and maga hats in the cockpit
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Old 01-10-2021, 11:34 AM
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I am not saying people should do anything like burn buildings and destroy property, threaten to or actually hurt anyone. I am saying that acting like a giant conspiracy theory is an equal cause to racial injustice is bonkers. That’s all.

Can some of you smart people come back and talk about quantitative easement and bond yields before the wide body grandpas come and start yelling at the clouds about BLM pins and maga hats in the cockpit
Both groups are full of conspiracy theories. The data doesn’t show a bunch of rogue racist cops running around any more than it shows that Trump got more votes. I’m sure the same could be said about AA’s financial position. Of the big three I’d say that they have the deepest hole to crawl out of, but I don’t think that they’re going anywhere. All of this stuff makes for some entertaining reading when people just read the headline and don’t actually think about what the data means.
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I am not saying people should do anything like burn buildings and destroy property, threaten to or actually hurt anyone. I am saying that acting like a giant conspiracy theory is an equal cause to racial injustice is bonkers. That’s all.

Can some of you smart people come back and talk about quantitative easement and bond yields before the wide body grandpas come and start yelling at the clouds about BLM pins and maga hats in the cockpit
Yes. Please. We all saw the People of Walmart Benghazi. We also all saw the million-dollar-trust-fund-hipster-or-chronic-homeless-persons and thugs throw molotov cocktails at the Portland State Building. I doubt either of these will have anything to do with whether our airlines will go Chapter 7.

Here's a good article from Investor Business Daily:
https://www.investors.com/research/i...travel-impact/

Originally Posted by IBD GILLIAN RICH 02:27 PM ET 01/07/2021 View Post
Travel stocks entered 2020 showing signs of strength as air travel and hotel room revenue reached record levels. But by the end of January, travel bans were among the first responses as the Covid-19 outbreak rattled markets and economies worldwide. Now, with vaccines hinting at a post-Covid future, the travel industry is cautiously optimistic for an uptick in the second half of 2021.

The Centers For Disease Control on Thursday reported more than 5.3 million Americans have so far been vaccinated. And U.S. health officials expect Covid-19 vaccines will be available to the general public this summer. Airlines are set to expand routes to prime vacation spots, vacation home style rentals from Airbnb are on the rise and cruise line passengers are eager to set sail.

But even with a vaccine, the coronavirus pandemic has forever altered some aspects of the travel industry. After years of steady growth, some business travel might be on the way out as employers embrace videoconferencing options. Vacation home booking sites led by Airbnb and Vrbo have altered many travelers' expectations for accommodations.

And the cruise line industry, which was the source of scores of deaths and some of the earliest coronavirus cases introduced to the U.S., faces a long haul before returning to anything resembling full capacity.

Travel Stocks: Airlines See Business Travel Turbulence

Airline passenger counts rose during the typically busy holiday season to nearly two-thirds of 2019 travel levels, according to Transportation Security Administration data. But the rise will likely be short-lived as coronavirus cases rise to new highs in the U.S. and a new virus strain, which emerged in the U.K., is triggering sweeping new lockdowns across Europe.

Even with the vaccine, the airline industry has a long way to go to climb out from the depths of 2020. The International Air Transport Association doesn't see passenger traffic rebounding fully to 2019 levels until 2024.
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What's more, the trade association warned in July that corporate travel will remain curtailed as companies look to save money. Business travel has long been big business for airlines. The association estimated that, before the pandemic, business travelers accounted for 50% of airline revenue in the U.S. The drop-off in business travel has upended the usual correlation between GDP growth and air travel, as videoconferencing rapidly replaces in-person meetings.

In a November interview with the AP, Delta Air Lines (DAL) CEO Ed Bastian said business travel could fall to a "new normal," 10% to 20% lower than pre-Covid levels.

Airlines Cater To The Covid Business Shuffle

But 2021 holds some glimmers of hope for travel stocks in the airline industry. U.S. carriers received $15 billion in the latest federal stimulus package to bring back 32,000 employees furloughed in October. In addition, the Boeing (BA) 737 Max finally received Federal Aviation Administration approval to return to service after a 20-month grounding.

While many Americans stayed at home, Silicon Valley tech companies have made big moves during the pandemic. Many are leaving crowded, high-priced cities for less crowded states with lower real estate costs and corporate taxes. Oracle (ORCL) and Hewlett Packard Enterprise (HPE) moved their headquarters to Texas. Goldman Sachs (GS) is considering moving operations to Florida.
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Airlines are expanding certain routes in the spring in anticipation of increased business and leisure travel from the corporate reshuffling. Southwest Airlines (LUV) announced 19 new routes in 2021 including nonstop flights from Houston to Chicago and Denver. JetBlue (JBLU) has 24 new routes in the works, including flights to Key West, Fla., Guatemala and Los Cabos, Mexico. Hawaiian Airlines (HA) is adding nonstop flights to Texas and Florida.

Budget airline Allegiant Travel (ALGT) is the top-ranked stock in IBD's Transportation-Airline group.

UBS has a buy rating on United Airlines (UAL), but Deutsche Bank has a hold rating on most U.S. airline stocks including United, Southwest, American Airlines (AAL), Delta and JetBlue.

Travel Stocks And Vacation Home Rentals

Amid worries about Covid-19 transmission on a crowded airplane full of recycled air, 2020 was the year of the road trip. Despite lockdowns and distancing, leisure travelers were willing to spend "a sizable amount of money on vacations during the pandemic," according to Bill Crow, a managing director of equity research at Raymond James. Many Americans who weren't able to travel in 2020 instead socked away funds for travel with family and friends in the vaccinated, post-Covid future.

"You look at the consumer balance sheets today, you look at where the savings accounts have gone and certainly, they can fuel really strong travel ahead," Crow said.

But vaccinated travel could look different than pre-pandemic trends.

After a rough March, travel stock Airbnb (ABNB) rebounded as travelers turned to the online vacation home rental service for spacious and secluded lodgings, rather than a crowded hotel. The company raised $3.5 billion during its IPO in December. The new issue topped Wall Street's lofty expectations to become the largest IPO in 2020.

....

Airbnb Transforms Travel Bookings

Airbnb's blockbuster IPO brought a lot of attention to travel stocks and to the travel-booking sector. It acted as a disrupter to the more traditional airline and hotel vacation and travel packages. Now, other booking sites are expanding into vacation home and experience-style rental options.

Expedia (EXPE) owns Vrbo, a vacation home booking service similar to Airbnb. But unlike Airbnb, Vrbo doesn't offer shared spaces and is more focused on rentals in the suburbs, rather than urban centers.

Daniel Kurnos of the Benchmark Co. said Expedia and Airbnb are the best-positioned travel stocks in a Covid vaccine future. He notes that Vrbo remains an underrated asset for Expedia. He sees profits rebounding next year for Expedia and Booking.com (BKNG), and both travel stocks received a handful of upgrades and price-target hikes on Jan. 4.

Kurnos has a buy rating on Expedia stock, but doesn't see travel bookings in general returning to pre-Covid levels until at least 2022 or 2023.

China's Trip.com, India's MakeMyTrip

As the U.S. and Europe grapple with an enormous spike in Covid-19 cases in the midst of a long, dark winter, China has seen some positive travel trends in recent months. Air travel in China boomed in the last decade as a rising middle class found themselves for the first time able to afford vacations. The pandemic weighed on the region's travel, particularly during a strict early lockdown in the virus's epicenter of Wuhan. However, officials have said that the number of domestic flights in September rebounded above 2019 levels.

Nevertheless, Chinese travel booking companies must still navigate government restrictions. A December note from Oppenheimer said the main risk to Trip.com is "a more restrictive Chinese government." Last month, the Cyberspace Administration of China banned over 100 apps including TripAdvisor (TRIP) for being "illegal." Tripadvisor's China operations are controlled by Trip.com (TCOM), a Shanghai based-firm.

Indian online travel company MakeMyTrip (MMYT) is the top-ranked stock in the Leisure-Travel Booking group, according to IBD's Stock Checkup. Booking.com ranks No. 2. The group on Thursday ranked No. 47 among the 197 groups tracked by IBD."
I think one thing they're missing is that a lot more people will permanently work from home to avoid living and commuting in cities like NYC and SFO, but will still have to "super commute" every so often. They probably won't be flying first or business class, like traditional business travelers, but I think they'll definitely account for more airline travel.

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Old 01-10-2021, 12:16 PM
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Both groups are full of conspiracy theories. The data doesn’t show a bunch of rogue racist cops running around any more than it shows that Trump got more votes. I’m sure the same could be said about AA’s financial position. Of the big three I’d say that they have the deepest hole to crawl out of, but I don’t think that they’re going anywhere. All of this stuff makes for some entertaining reading when people just read the headline and don’t actually think about what the data means.
There ARE racist cops. Don’t get me wrong, but there are a he|| of a lot more cops who are just POORLY trained.

Hawaii still doesn’t have any real standards despite a recent state law mandating them:

https://www.civilbeat.org/2019/07/hawaii-ignores-deadline-to-create-new-standards-for-cops/

Other states have educational and training requirements, but you can be a cop for up to a year in some cases before you need to actually meet those standards.


https://www.trainingreform.org/state...g-requirements

https://golawenforcement.com/police-...-requirements/


Why should we expect cops to do a good job when we give them dangerously inadequate training and supervision?
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Why should we expect cops to do a good job when we give them dangerously inadequate training and supervision?
Lol....replace the word “cops” with “pilots” and you have a perfect media portrayal after an aircraft accident. Except St. Sully....total media/Hollywood darling.
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Lol....replace the word “cops” with “pilots” and you have a perfect media portrayal after an aircraft accident. Except St. Sully....total media/Hollywood darling.
I said I wouldn't get involved, but I will say this:
We have flight data recorders and cockpit voice recorders. Cops have body cameras and recorders that they can turn off at will and that's perfectly acceptable. How'd you feel flying for a company where it was commonplace for the CA to pull the breaker on the FDR/CVR then do shady stuff? If that were acceptable, are there pilots you know who would abuse it?

When a cop arrests someone, they're potentially ruining their life. Depending on the charge, their employment, ability to get a security clearance, right to own firearms, vote, work for govt, etc, is all at risk. If they're guilty of said crime, then they should get the punishment. But why, with modern tech, is it acceptable for a cop's written report to be taken as gold in court when they have the tech to record everything they saw and heard on their shoulder? That body cam should be their primary means of gathering evidence and more important to their job than their firearm.
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I said I wouldn't get involved, but I will say this:
We have flight data recorders and cockpit voice recorders. Cops have body cameras and recorders that they can turn off at will and that's perfectly acceptable. How'd you feel flying for a company where it was commonplace for the CA to pull the breaker on the FDR/CVR then do shady stuff? If that were acceptable, are there pilots you know who would abuse it?

When a cop arrests someone, they're potentially ruining their life. Depending on the charge, their employment, ability to get a security clearance, right to own firearms, vote, work for govt, etc, is all at risk. If they're guilty of said crime, then they should get the punishment. But why, with modern tech, is it acceptable for a cop's written report to be taken as gold in court when they have the tech to record everything they saw and heard on their shoulder? That body cam should be their primary means of gathering evidence and more important to their job than their firearm.

Absolutely. And the results of the first few years of those cameras being out there should dispel the belief of any individual with integrity that the word of a policeman unsupported by any other evidence overcomes someone’s presumption of innocence.

https://youtu.be/RSiidawU-7o

https://youtu.be/wgwrX32PQw8

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Originally Posted by Duffman View Post
I said I wouldn't get involved, but I will say this:
We have flight data recorders and cockpit voice recorders. Cops have body cameras and recorders that they can turn off at will and that's perfectly acceptable. How'd you feel flying for a company where it was commonplace for the CA to pull the breaker on the FDR/CVR then do shady stuff? If that were acceptable, are there pilots you know who would abuse it?

When a cop arrests someone, they're potentially ruining their life. Depending on the charge, their employment, ability to get a security clearance, right to own firearms, vote, work for govt, etc, is all at risk. If they're guilty of said crime, then they should get the punishment. But why, with modern tech, is it acceptable for a cop's written report to be taken as gold in court when they have the tech to record everything they saw and heard on their shoulder? That body cam should be their primary means of gathering evidence and more important to their job than their firearm.
that gets me out of jury duty every time during voir dire. Last time I raised my hand because we were asked who would believe the police officer over the defendant. Yeah, I will most of the time. Especially when he had a criminal record. Just how I was raised, if you were raised differently that’s cool too.
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