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Old 05-06-2021, 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik View Post
I thought this was a republic problem. You want something you don’t have. I would think you could figure out that AA pilots just want to know what they are getting. I don’t have a problem with the current agreement because it doesn’t effect me. As much as you may not believe, I’d like to see republic guys get a fair deal.

I honestly don’t know what our priority is on your planes or if It will be different if you get the new priority.
If they get their way, nothing changes in terms of our priority anywhere (unless other carriers get the RAH bug and bring us down to the priority we would then give them- reciprocity reciprocity reciprocity!). All other OAL would get moved down in priority on AA to be behind republic pilots. That’s the jist
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Old 05-06-2021, 06:50 AM
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If they get their way, nothing changes in terms of our priority anywhere (unless other carriers get the RAH bug and bring us down to the priority we would then give them- reciprocity reciprocity reciprocity!). All other OAL would get moved down in priority on AA to be behind republic pilots. That’s the jist

I get that now. I think industry standard for republic/SkyWest/other AA contract carriers to have priority is fair. I don’t see us being moved down in any priority for giving them what DL/UAL is already giving them. If that’s our fear, have an agreement that becomes void if that happens.
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Old 05-06-2021, 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik View Post
I get that now. I think industry standard for republic/SkyWest/other AA contract carriers to have priority is fair. I don’t see us being moved down in any priority for giving them what DL/UAL is already giving them. If that’s our fear, have an agreement that becomes void if that happens.
I have said prior in conversations with longhorn that I think we should just give it to them and end this. Longhorn is a level headed dude and I think in real life we’d agree on a lot of things. I truly believe the strife here comes from the tactics, again has been discussed extensively and we disagree - so be it, really doesn’t matter in the end.
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Old 05-06-2021, 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik View Post
Thanks, that answered all my questions.
No problem, thanks for taking the time to watch it.
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Originally Posted by sanicom3205 View Post
I have said prior in conversations with longhorn that I think we should just give it to them and end this. Longhorn is a level headed dude and I think in real life we’d agree on a lot of things. I truly believe the strife here comes from the tactics, again has been discussed extensively and we disagree - so be it, really doesn’t matter in the end.
Thanks. For what it's worth, I agree with you that we'd probably agree on a lot of things (hah). I'm always down to talk shop. It's a fun industry because there's always something new changing/worth discussing.

I hope you know I mean with all sincerity that I don't want to see any line pilots anywhere hurt by anyone else, least of all something like this. We played that game with the United situation and even though we may have won the "battle" as far as getting UA to back down on imposing their priority, to your earlier point we quite clearly lost the PR war.

It's a good lesson to all of us that it's as much how you do as what you do. Also, that the industry is too small to burn bridges.

Best of luck to y'all; I'm glad to see some movement again in the industry. A rising tide lifts all ships.

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Old 05-06-2021, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by sanicom3205 View Post
(unless other carriers get the RAH bug and bring us down to the priority we would then give them- reciprocity reciprocity reciprocity!)
This is already the case - it would not be a change.
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Old 05-06-2021, 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
you are not an AAG employee. You are OAL. It’s that simple.
why so hard to understand?
you are no different than Skywest, Southwest, Atlas or any other non AAG.

Own metal
Same company (parent, subsidiary, sisters)
OAL

The JS is a pilot benefit, not a company benefit. Who an OAL pilot works for is irrelevant.
This is the clearest and most reasonable explanation I’ve read. Case closed. Nothing more to see here. Moving on.
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This is the clearest and most reasonable explanation I’ve read. Case closed. Nothing more to see here. Moving on.
Then you would have to agree that Republic reciprocating the way they get treated on AAG jumpseats is also reasonable. Can't have it both ways.
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Old 05-07-2021, 05:36 AM
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Then you would have to agree that Republic reciprocating the way they get treated on AAG jumpseats is also reasonable. Can't have it both ways.
Actually no. They ARE NOT offline because it’s an AA branded airplane. They should be offline and they are offline on Republic United and Delta branded flights. If AA was flying a republic branded airplane then republic wouldn’t be offline there.

I am Mesa so I suffer the same issues jumpseating on AA metal. But I completely understand it now and I agree with the status quo.
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Old 05-07-2021, 06:04 AM
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Not OAL, non-exclusive. Same as Skywest but different from Southwest or Atlas. I'm guessing here but I assume somewhere near 50% of my salary is paid by AA. What do they pay Southwest or Atlas pilots?

Non related question, why did you give up on flow?
By your rational, the food service guy a SkyChef could say he gets his salary paid by AA too.
You are OAL like everybody else.

Stop trying to get priority you shouldn't have, in fact, the real issue here should be the APA reaching out to UA/DLALPA that they aren't treating OAL AA pilots fairly since you (RAH an OAL) are getting priority over other OAL's.

Own Metal
Own Company (parent, siblings, subsidiaries)
OAL
That's how it's supposed to work.

All regionals are not the same, this is one of the differences.

The JS is a pilot benefit, not a company benefit. Who an OAL pilot works for is irrelevant. For the jumpseat you're either on your own metal, own company, or are OAL.
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