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Old 09-25-2021, 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by ItwillBuffout View Post
there were about 300 cjos issued pre covid..
2 classes of 40 in sep
3 of 40 in oct
My guesstimate is by November pool should be depleted.
They are filling in with a lot of flows too so that may push back the CJOs a bit. September 8th was all off the street and September 22nd was mostly flows. Plus they have a ton of people that started the interview process that they’re going to first.
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Old 09-25-2021, 10:44 AM
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The plan for 2022 is to hire 45 every week for the entire year, those hired this fall might be lineholders by the spring.
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Old 09-25-2021, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Dunkin View Post
The plan for 2022 is to hire 45 every week for the entire year, those hired this fall might be lineholders by the spring.
According to the potential future Indoc schedule, it will actually be 45 per week, 46 weeks of the year.

4 classes per month (would skip the 5th "Wednesday" of the month for the months that happen to have 5 Wednesdays), so 48 classes.

December would only have 2 classes, so a total of 46.

46 weeks * 45 per class = 2070, which is right about the 2000 number that we keep hearing. Allowing for a few classes to fall just short of the 45 number, as tends to happen with people having emergencies, etc...
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Originally Posted by Hardlanding View Post
Have all of the previous CJO’s been placed or are there still some waiting for class dates?

I’m still waiting on my class dates. Hopefully the 3 Nov class.
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Old 09-26-2021, 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyGuy2021 View Post
According to the potential future Indoc schedule, it will actually be 45 per week, 46 weeks of the year.

4 classes per month (would skip the 5th "Wednesday" of the month for the months that happen to have 5 Wednesdays), so 48 classes.

December would only have 2 classes, so a total of 46.

46 weeks * 45 per class = 2070, which is right about the 2000 number that we keep hearing. Allowing for a few classes to fall just short of the 45 number, as tends to happen with people having emergencies, etc...
Not that it matters to any of the APA guys here, but for any wholly owned pilots waiting to flow that happen to read this, the flow just became that much more worthless at the current metrics. 2,000 pilots in 2022 is double the usual and basically means you’re set back further on the seniority list if you’re waiting to flow.
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules View Post
Not that it matters to any of the APA guys here, but for any wholly owned pilots waiting to flow that happen to read this, the flow just became that much more worthless at the current metrics. 2,000 pilots in 2022 is double the usual and basically means you’re set back further on the seniority list if you’re waiting to flow.
Apply outside the flow they will be interviewing more then ever.
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Originally Posted by Tjeff View Post
Apply outside the flow they will be interviewing more then ever.
I believe pre covid there were a large number of guys at the WOs who didn't have their app in. I'm guessing its increased since, but there are still a lot who are just riding the lazy river to their flow date. But yea, do whatever you can to get outside of flow.
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules View Post
Not that it matters to any of the APA guys here, but for any wholly owned pilots waiting to flow that happen to read this, the flow just became that much more worthless at the current metrics. 2,000 pilots in 2022 is double the usual and basically means you’re set back further on the seniority list if you’re waiting to flow.
You’re right, it doesn’t matter to any APA pilot. In fact it’s better for us if the WO carriers can’t staff their flying due to attrition, gives us more leverage to bring that flying back in house. Maybe Embraer would give us a good deal on some E190E2s in exchange for some of the E175s. I hear UAL is hiring a bunch of PSA pilots…….
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Originally Posted by Dunkin View Post
You’re right, it doesn’t matter to any APA pilot. In fact it’s better for us if the WO carriers can’t staff their flying due to attrition, gives us more leverage to bring that flying back in house. Maybe Embraer would give us a good deal on some E190E2s in exchange for some of the E175s. I hear UAL is hiring a bunch of PSA pilots…….
Dal and FedEx seem to be the leading destinations right now.

And yeah, Make Group 1 Great Again.
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Originally Posted by Dunkin View Post
You’re right, it doesn’t matter to any APA pilot. In fact it’s better for us if the WO carriers can’t staff their flying due to attrition, gives us more leverage to bring that flying back in house. Maybe Embraer would give us a good deal on some E190E2s in exchange for some of the E175s. I hear UAL is hiring a bunch of PSA pilots…….
Attrition has increased since the retention bonuses were announced. Going to be an interesting 6-12 months in the industry.
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