Pilot shortage: AA cancelled 100's of flights
#101
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“The airline that figures out a way to not furlough people, particularly pilots, ....they are going to come out of this on top.”
A direct quote from one of the people leading the company. They furloughed anyway because, right wrong or indifferent, APA wouldn't take their bait. In other words, they knew that furloughing pilots was going to bad for the company in the long run. They did it anyway. You can justify pilots being kicked to the street all you want, it was a bad idea and they knew it. The chickens have come home to roost.
A direct quote from one of the people leading the company. They furloughed anyway because, right wrong or indifferent, APA wouldn't take their bait. In other words, they knew that furloughing pilots was going to bad for the company in the long run. They did it anyway. You can justify pilots being kicked to the street all you want, it was a bad idea and they knew it. The chickens have come home to roost.
The first 15 months of pandemic were liquidity and daily cash burn. Month 16 1-3% cuts to schedules and AA should have immediately disregarded cash burn for 15 months to be in position for month 16 and captured 3% for 30-60 days until they can catch up.
Still no data to support 3% cancellations equals 3% lost revenue.
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Said it before, will say it again. Furloughs should have never happened. Point is being proven right now. I’ve never scheduled on the scale of AA, however if We learn of one cent lining an execs pocket you can believe there will be much bigger issues than the current scheduling issue
#104
It doesn’t matter what he thinks, or you think, or what I think. The company thought that furloughs would hurt them. They were right. That’s it, no one said anything about a 1 to 1 ratio of revenue to flights cancelled or whatever. It’s bad business, even according to their own logic
#107
What an embarrassment of an operation. Eventually DUI Doug and the boys will get the ball rolling for BK, but until then the show down in Fort Worth has been everything I expected and more. This so called Airline is an action packed thriller.
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#108
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Did they threaten furloughs, absolutely. Did they have management saying that furloughs was the absolute wrong decision and they wouldn’t do it so they could take market share and be prepared for a recovery? Not to my knowledge. If they did, well they didn’t furlough and get caught with their pants down much like AA.
If AA sends a message they better live by it. Right now WE’RE dying by it and expected to do more because of their ineptness. Asking work groups to volunteer to work for free because they screwed up, give me a break. They don’t care about us and have proven they can’t handle running a company. We made less money than competitors during the good times! It’s just embarrassing now.
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Medical career. PAs, NP, CRNA... all stable, portable, six-figure jobs that have an easy path to no nights/weekends/holidays.
Correct, every career is unstable. However, the travel industry is especially susceptible to economic downturns, war, terrorism, and pandemics, etc. No other mainstream career is as unstable as the airline and travel industry, IMO.
I would not recommend anyone investing $100K+ in getting into this career. Too much risk, especially has we get closer to single-pilot or pilotless flying.
Correct, every career is unstable. However, the travel industry is especially susceptible to economic downturns, war, terrorism, and pandemics, etc. No other mainstream career is as unstable as the airline and travel industry, IMO.
I would not recommend anyone investing $100K+ in getting into this career. Too much risk, especially has we get closer to single-pilot or pilotless flying.
And here I am almost at the bottom of a legacy seniority list and the paychecks still kept clearing every month. Go figure. Oh and on the schedule side, her and her co-workers all still have to share the load of working the occasional overnight shifts and weekends/holidays, getting off shift 4 hours late and being exhausted with the kids while im out on a 4-day, etc etc. No seniority system in place to ensure you might have increased QOL control as you get older. No easy path to no nights/weekends/holidays. I'm also only speaking for her particular practice, I suppose it could be different elsewhere. I guess just pluses and minuses to whatever career one chooses. She still loves it.
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This is one of the few remaining industries where you're completely off on your off hours. My friends who are moving up the corporate ladder are answering emails at 11PM and as salaried employees get nothing for working extra hours.
Also, in many states you work at the pleasure of the company. They can decide to let you go for any reason with just two weeks severance and no recourse.
Also, in many states you work at the pleasure of the company. They can decide to let you go for any reason with just two weeks severance and no recourse.
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