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Old 09-16-2022 | 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Snake1234
You are correct on schedule flexibility. Who gives a **** about first year pilots, I’m serious. Lastly, what is not disappointing for a pay raise? Define it. 18% is not bad. After 2 years, a NB CA would nearly make what our WB CA make today at the 12 year pay mark.

Wow, showing a bit of your character there. Anyway, after 2 years your NB CA would make nearly what your NB CA makes now. Inflation.


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Old 09-16-2022 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Snake1234
Define acceptable pay raise, and justify it.
The pay raise you are in favor of does not even keep up with inflation. Justify that. Actually never-mind, your posts are so idiotic it is obvious you are a two post troll.
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Old 09-16-2022 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Snake1234
You are correct on schedule flexibility. Who gives a **** about first year pilots, I’m serious. Lastly, what is not disappointing for a pay raise? Define it. 18% is not bad. After 2 years, a NB CA would nearly make what our WB CA make today at the 12 year pay mark.
wow is all I can say.

Don't give a crap about anyone but yourself it appears.

Are you one of our new check airman that took a job everyone told you not to take?
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Old 09-16-2022 | 10:39 AM
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Ahhh, the inflation argument. Ok, let’s dig in. With the current movement, you can hold NB CA in under three years. So let’s focus there as the incentives in place push the pilot group that direction. In a 10/5/3 scenario, a NB CA at 7 years (3 year upgrade, roughly 3 year raise period) would make roughly 354K at 80 hours/mo. Inflation only affects your cost bucket. Housing, transportation, groceries. What is that cost bucket compared to your salary? Housing for the vast part of a pilot group is stable, the other costs went up. However, your salary going up from 275K to 354K eclipses your costs by thousands of dollars. Let’s debate with facts, the argument that it doesn’t keep up with inflation is dumb and mathematically illiterate.
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Old 09-16-2022 | 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Snake1234
Ahhh, the inflation argument. Ok, let’s dig in. With the current movement, you can hold NB CA in under three years. So let’s focus there as the incentives in place push the pilot group that direction. In a 10/5/3 scenario, a NB CA at 7 years (3 year upgrade, roughly 3 year raise period) would make roughly 354K at 80 hours/mo. Inflation only affects your cost bucket. Housing, transportation, groceries. What is that cost bucket compared to your salary? Housing for the vast part of a pilot group is stable, the other costs went up. However, your salary going up from 275K to 354K eclipses your costs by thousands of dollars. Let’s debate with facts, the argument that it doesn’t keep up with inflation is dumb and mathematically illiterate.
Some of us would like to be compensated commensurately as NB FOs. You sound like a management shill. Inflation affecting only a “cost bucket” is a weak argument. Everything costs something, and right now all costs are going up. If wages don’t track, the compensation is relatively less. That’s pretty easy math, actually.
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Old 09-16-2022 | 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Snake1234
Ahhh, the inflation argument. Ok, let’s dig in. With the current movement, you can hold NB CA in under three years. So let’s focus there as the incentives in place push the pilot group that direction. In a 10/5/3 scenario, a NB CA at 7 years (3 year upgrade, roughly 3 year raise period) would make roughly 354K at 80 hours/mo. Inflation only affects your cost bucket. Housing, transportation, groceries. What is that cost bucket compared to your salary? Housing for the vast part of a pilot group is stable, the other costs went up. However, your salary going up from 275K to 354K eclipses your costs by thousands of dollars. Let’s debate with facts, the argument that it doesn’t keep up with inflation is dumb and mathematically illiterate.
ahhh, the cost bucket argument. lol, what a dunce. Don't you have a shuttle to catch soon from the Candlewood to the training center for Check Airman training?
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Old 09-16-2022 | 10:58 AM
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I would like to see 15% DOS, 5%, 5%. Not DOS + 1 but I'm Jan 1st. I would also like to see continues pay increase of min 3% annually after CBA expires... indefinite. Three years without a raise, full retro!

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Old 09-16-2022 | 11:11 AM
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As far as NB FO you want to be compensated, you will be at the exact same percentage, but starting at a rate about 100K less per annum. It still keeps pace with inflation, because…math.
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Old 09-16-2022 | 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by NotPhlying
I would like to see 15% DOS, 5%, 5%. Not DOS + 1 but I'm Jan 1st. I would also like to see continues pay increase of min 3% annually after CBA expires... indefinite. Three years without a raise, full retro!
Yes! I would like to see the same.
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Old 09-16-2022 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Snake1234
As far as NB FO you want to be compensated, you will be at the exact same percentage, but starting at a rate about 100K less per annum. It still keeps pace with inflation, because…math.
Except it doesn’t, and without any meaningful QoL improvements. Current update from NC is a total loser.
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