The problem is that your 15/5/5 is already quite the compromise and yet management isn’t even in that ball park. 10/5/3 and 2.5% cap on a snap up pending some arbitration. That’s their latest offer on pay rates and APA claims they won’t even discuss certain parts of the scheduling section (limits on 4 & 5 day pairing). We’re miles apart unless you’re willing to make major concessions to get a deal done, which I don’t think you are. Neither am I.

 

You, sir, are truly a classless, transparent idiot. Doesn’t take a mathematician or economist (of which you are clearly neither) to know this doesn’t come anywhere near inflation and should be a complete nonstarter.

Disclaimer…I’m a Delta guy surfing your turf here

 

I think we've gave enough over the years. I don't think 10% is a "raise" at all. Snap up has too many unknowns. PHL chair said United has 15% DOS on the table, three other airlines have 17/18/20%. Current "offer" is a joke!

 

I've said it before: let it burn. I'm in no hurry.

 

If your company “refuses” to discuss certain section why aren’t you in arbitration already?

 

I meant to say concessions on the ask in this round of negotiations. Either way I think we’re on the same page. 10/5/3 isn’t going to work. You mentioned that we’re probably heading into a tough economic period and dragging this out might back fire. You may be right but I don’t think it’s us that’s dragging this out. It’s AA. I’m willing to risk it to be quite honest. We need the right contract to move this place forward. Improving our operational integrity is a mutually shared goal by AA and APA. The company needs to realizes that incentive not coercion is how you improve schedule reliability for everyone. Including the customer. Once they figure that out maybe they’ll get serious about negotiations. Something about honey instead of vinegar? 10/5/3 won’t cut it.

Anyways hang in there. We’re already 3 years in, what’s another year or two?

 

Fair enough, what’s the source then? I haven’t talked to one person that thinks we should take a deal like this.

 

Another year or two, if you’re bearish, what would you say? I’m bullish for the US in the long term. But I think we’re going to go through a challenging period. No two recessions are identical, it’s impossible to know the depth and length of what may be coming. It won’t benefit us any way to drag this out. All in the meantime all pilots at all the legacies have taken silent pay cuts now of around 17 percent of their purchasing power. So IMO pressure needs to be cranked up to push the contracts of all the legacies over the finish line.

 

I would love for all the WO flying to be brought in house. After the massive staple it would be a nice boost!

 

the current offer is kind of a joke…the biggest slap in the face IMHO is the 2.5% cap on the snap-up provision…it’s like the company knows other airlines are going to do better and they don’t want to have to pay for it…in the same breath people that keep throwing around “inflation” numbers as a baseline for pay raises I think is a little unrealistic…if we negotiated in 2015-2018 timeframe when inflation was basically flat would we have expected raises in line with that? No, I don’t think so. Like many others have said we need QOL fixes with very strong language attached to it this time. 15/5/3 with industry leading QOL and language would be fine by me, but again I want to read the wording, not looking to see a lot of, “at the company’s discretion”, or crap like that. But that’s just me and I am only 1 vote.