Originally Posted by sanicom3205

The difference is that (in this scenario) senior guys only caring about pay and giving us the finger is bad for many and good for some. What we want is exactly what you want, plus more. In other words, it's good for everyone.

Originally Posted by R57 relay

Giving you the finger? I don't see it that way.

Originally Posted by R57 relay

Giving you the finger? I don't see it that way.

Higher pay rates don't help the junior? Better disability doesn't help the junior? Higher DC contributions don't help the junior?

Do you remember when we gave up a lot for LOS credit for former furloughed? ACD? How did that help the very senior?

Originally Posted by Bjork

“While the NMB’s decision to release the parties from mediation comes with a proffer of binding arbitration, the proffer, under provisions of the RLA, must be accepted by both sides, with history suggesting mutual agreement will not occur. Indeed, were the parties so inclined, they could have agreed to binding arbitration while in mediation. “ - Railway Age, https://www.railwayage.com/regulator...rail-shutdown/

Some one asked when arbitration would occur in section 6- the answer is 1)when required by an agreement between the parties (previous CBA, LOA on how negotiations are to be conducted, or mutual agreement) or 2)at the end of the NMB process when the mediator doesn’t think mediation will lead to a mutually agreeable solution. In the second case, both parties must agree to arbitrate the remaining disputes, they can not be forced into binding arbitration by the NMB.

Atlas fell under the first exclusion, they had a CBA that required binding arbitration in certain circumstances, and one of the conditions that required binding arbitration arose. I believe Atlas Management and the Pilots at Atlas have come since to an agreement to remove that clause from the contract for future use because of the last arbitration.

Going forward, there is nothing in the AA contract that would require arbitrating in section 6 (that I am aware of), and I don’t think it will be agreed to by both parties at the end of mediation, if mediation is ever started at AA.

Originally Posted by Swakid8

The clause in the Atlas contract was in the event of an outside carrier was purchased. Atlas management used the loophole twice forcing Arbitration. The results were horrible for Atlas pilots…. Forget about meeting the middle… Majority of the items were awarded in management favor…..

Originally Posted by Al Czervik

You literally give me the finger every time you see me. 😆

Originally Posted by Armyguy

Isom is desperate. F him and all the new CKA. I am a no just to spite them unless we get true industry leading QOL.

Originally Posted by R57 relay

Higher pay rates don't help the junior? Better disability doesn't help the junior? Higher DC contributions don't help the junior?

Originally Posted by Montcalm

Yes, and we have considerably gained in all the above compared to the pathetic deal "the senior" was dying to settle for.

Originally Posted by R57 relay

We have? I need to recheck that last pay stub.