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Supermoto 07-23-2023 04:47 AM


Originally Posted by AllYourBaseAreB (Post 3671049)
or….. you know…. Actually keep negotiating since he was the one that reopened the deal and added sweeteners… not us

Are you suggesting it won't pass as is? There is risk in negotiating further and everyone that would vote yes understands that further negotiating COULD result in a better contract. It is a valid position to keep negotiating, it all comes down to your appetite for risk (or your understanding of macroeconomics).

We could keep negotiating until the very last person is satisfied, but the system is set up to only negotiate until 50%+1 are satisfied. There is a place in our career field for those who want to do solo negotiating and that is the top of the corporate pilot world. You can be a free agent and fly for Taylor Swift or some king in the middle east and negotiate your own ludicrous contract if you are such a bad-ass pilot. It is disgusting to withhold a TA from the pilot group that would overwhelmingly be approved so you can get some stupid addition so you feel cool like a Delta pilot.

ACEssXfer 07-23-2023 05:27 AM


Originally Posted by Supermoto (Post 3671053)
Are you suggesting it won't pass as is? There is risk in negotiating further and everyone that would vote yes understands that further negotiating COULD result in a better contract. It is a valid position to keep negotiating, it all comes down to your appetite for risk (or your understanding of macroeconomics).

We could keep negotiating until the very last person is satisfied, but the system is set up to only negotiate until 50%+1 are satisfied. There is a place in our career field for those who want to do solo negotiating and that is the top of the corporate pilot world. You can be a free agent and fly for Taylor Swift or some king in the middle east and negotiate your own ludicrous contract if you are such a bad-ass pilot. It is disgusting to withhold a TA from the pilot group that would overwhelmingly be approved so you can get some stupid addition so you feel cool like a Delta pilot.

The "system" is not set up for 50%+1. That is a mgmt goal and should not be our benchmark.

What is the risk in negotiating further? Your money is always going to be there. The bar has been set in that regard.

We will now trail in most other sections that aren't LTD. Reserve, where we carry a higher percentage than every other carrier about 1/3 of the entire group, is about to take a nose dive with the new assignment system paired with ECS and codified ability to be reassigned into a day off. Our current reserve system is the best out there. Why are we moving backwards?

The board is protecting you from yourself at this point. Your desired payday will come. It might even come this week. Relax and let the process play out.

Armyguy 07-23-2023 05:33 AM


Originally Posted by El Peso (Post 3670815)
Again stupid, your little worm like selective comprehension has got you babbling about much of nothing. Their global reserve and current FSB are not the same thing. Bye bye you pathetic a little worm.

Go back to you management cubicle

OpieTaylor 07-23-2023 05:45 AM


Originally Posted by Supermoto (Post 3671034)
Now that is disgusting. Withhold a TA that will surely overwhelmingly pass so the 10% crybabies can feel tough. If Isom's deal was so bad let it get voted down.

They are withholding it due to their own pride and ego, not because they are worried about 10% of pilots. Robert stole their thunder and hurt their feelings.

But the deal is fine because Roberts sweeteners are the fallback position, his only option is too say it’s a standing offer and the pay is already captured.

His only position can be that if they wanna bark up the tree for 3 more months until they’re fatigued that’s up to them. He can’t afford to try and escalate the urgency of voting this in now, or play hardball by reneging on what he already posted a video of.

He has to let the union take free shots because he already rushed out and offered back pay to Jan 1, could be a tactical miss on his part because that could have been his closer and would have left a small about of urgency to close on a deal. He may give them something to claim a W and close now.

This is what happens when you don’t negotiate QOL gains and do negotiate back pay, we are entering a closed loop where it cost nothing to stay in it and get nothing to exit.

R57 relay 07-23-2023 06:09 AM


Originally Posted by icecreamfanatic (Post 3670964)
Ta canceled

Is it?

Some think the TA, absent the sweeteners, has to go out for a vote tomorrow.

pilot28042 07-23-2023 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by R57 relay (Post 3671084)
Is it?

Some think the TA, absent the sweeteners, has to go out for a vote tomorrow.

“. Recognizing that the current TA is not ratifiable, American Airlines reopened negotiations, and we will continue those negotiations as mandated by the Railway Labor Act and common sense. ”

I believe this line says it’s not going out for a vote tomorrow

AllYourBaseAreB 07-23-2023 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by R57 relay (Post 3671084)
Is it?

Some think the TA, absent the sweeteners, has to go out for a vote tomorrow.

we aren’t ALPA. Our board can pull the vote. (Supposedly)

R57 relay 07-23-2023 06:28 AM


Originally Posted by AllYourBaseAreB (Post 3671088)
we aren’t ALPA. Our board can pull the vote. (Supposedly)

Not according to one very smart, connected pilot I consulted. Shouldn't that be 100% clear today?

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R57 relay 07-23-2023 06:29 AM


Originally Posted by pilot28042 (Post 3671086)
“. Recognizing that the current TA is not ratifiable, American Airlines reopened negotiations, and we will continue those negotiations as mandated by the Railway Labor Act and common sense. ”

I believe this line says it’s not going out for a vote tomorrow

The question has been asked, the leadership is strangely quiet.

ACEssXfer 07-23-2023 06:31 AM


Originally Posted by R57 relay (Post 3671095)
Not according to one very smart, connected pilot I consulted. Shouldn't that be 100% clear today?

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At this point all the "connected" pilots have an agenda and cannot be trusted.


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