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Originally Posted by thrust (Post 3670588)

APA is a mess, no doubt… but don’t gloss over how much AA management despises its labor.

ALPA ain't that much better. The bigger it gets, the more bloated it becomes.

Belly up to the bar everybody, you're paying for it.

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Originally Posted by El Peso (Post 3670390)

No. We left out crap like global reserve and kept stuff that we have that neither DAL or UAL have.

But did you get a pay rate that would hit the snap up clauses for UA and DAL?

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Originally Posted by El Peso (Post 3670390)

No. We left out crap like global reserve and kept stuff that we have that neither DAL or UAL have.

So how's that trip trading going?? Oh wait, your schedules have been locked down for 18 months.

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Originally Posted by flynd94 (Post 3670627)

But did you get a pay rate that would hit the snap up clauses for UA and DAL?

Nerp… and didn’t even include it in the counter proposal it appears…

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Originally Posted by GPullR (Post 3670655)

So how's that trip trading going?? Oh wait, your schedules have been locked down for 18 months.

Has gotten harder with the new system for sure. Still possible but often requires a multi trade process.

How’s FSB going? Fun times commuting in to base to sit at the airport for 4-5 hours eh?

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Originally Posted by ellsworb (Post 3670668)

Nerp… and didn’t even include it in the counter proposal it appears…

I’m not AA, but had an AA capt non rev. He said the counter proposal thing (the one that adds like 13 extra bullet points that’s floating around) is dead now.

I guess Isom overstepped and got his hand smacked. So it’s back to the table.

true?

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Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3670623)

ALPA ain't that much better. The bigger it gets, the more bloated it becomes.

Belly up to the bar everybody, you're paying for it.

I know you don’t care for DALPA and you certainly have your reasons. And I don’t think ALPA is some magical savior for the AA pilot group. But the problems we have with ALPA at both Delta and United quite frankly pale in comparison to the absolute asshattery that occurs within APA. Change starts with the pilots overwhelmingly rejecting the clowns at APA and sending them packing in the clown car they showed up in.

Look at United… They’re a prime example of a labor organization in upheaval when their former Chairman Insler was ousted and they started cleaning house. And despite the chaos over there they STILL managed to blow the doors off with an awesome contract. How can anyone at AA look within your own labor organization and see anything redeeming? Kick APA to the curb and start the process of becoming industry-leading again.

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Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy (Post 3670622)

Nope. Not buying that excuse/cop-out. You can replace "AA management" above with [any airline management] and the same holds true. If APA/AA pilots spent as much energy fighting to raise the bar as they do making excuses for why they can't, we'd actually be getting somewhere as an industry.

Instead, as a group, you're just an anchor weighing the rest of us down. you've had what, 2-3 bites of the apple to RAISE the bar, and failed every time. I'd be ashamed to ask for a jumpseat on DL or UAL.

lol you take yourself too serious.

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Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy (Post 3670622)

Oh damn someone’s advocating for a JS war? I’m here for it. When do we start tough guy?

No one is starting a jump seat war over non sense. Take a break from the Internet my god..