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StoneQOLdCrazy 07-22-2023 10:33 AM


Originally Posted by FLYMIA (Post 3670736)
No one is starting a jump seat war over non sense. Take a break from the Internet my god..

If AA pilots thought about it, they'd realize they're about to freeload off of other pilot groups' efforts and success...again...by failing to pattern bargain. "Copy and paste" is so much easier.

Better to just call it "non sense" and change the subject, right?

El Peso 07-22-2023 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy (Post 3670752)
If AA pilots thought about it, they'd realize they're about to freeload off of other pilot groups' efforts and success...again...by failing to pattern bargain.

Better to just call it "nonsense" and change the subject, right?

Yeah the amazing efforts when UAL put forth the Tumi TA, only to be saved by AA management of all people. Get real dummy. And whens the JS war starting? I’m waiting on your que.

jdt30 07-22-2023 10:45 AM


Originally Posted by El Peso (Post 3670756)
Yeah the amazing efforts when UAL put forth the Tumi TA, only to be saved by AA management of all people. Get real dummy. And whens the JS war starting? I’m waiting on your que.

okay, I’ve got to jump in on this.

UAL pilots were ****ed well before AA management stepped in to “save us.” Tumi was going to fail, AA management just pushed it to a 94% failure.

thrust 07-22-2023 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 3670722)
Kick APA to the curb and start the process of becoming industry-leading again.

I think it’s inevitable. Just a matter of time.

NuGuy 07-22-2023 11:04 AM


Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 3670722)
I know you don’t care for DALPA and you certainly have your reasons. And I don’t think ALPA is some magical savior for the AA pilot group. But the problems we have with ALPA at both Delta and United quite frankly pale in comparison to the absolute asshattery that occurs within APA. Change starts with the pilots overwhelmingly rejecting the clowns at APA and sending them packing in the clown car they showed up in.

Look at United… They’re a prime example of a labor organization in upheaval when their former Chairman Insler was ousted and they started cleaning house. And despite the chaos over there they STILL managed to blow the doors off with an awesome contract. How can anyone at AA look within your own labor organization and see anything redeeming? Kick APA to the curb and start the process of becoming industry-leading again.

I'm pretty impressed with the UAL folks. They did almost a complete recycle in 4-5 months, recalled how many reps, and after a burble or two, hit the ground running. I think that speaks pretty well of the internal ALPA processes.

Montcalm 07-22-2023 11:29 AM


Originally Posted by El Peso (Post 3670718)
How’s FSB going? Fun times commuting in to base to sit at the airport for 4-5 hours eh?


And here he goes again.


UPA23 - Page 6
NEW - Long sit Add Pay Lineholder no longer involuntarily assigned FSB after loss of flying

UPA23 - Page 7
NEW - 3 hours of Add Pay for Loss of flying when Pilot agrees to sit Voluntary Field Standby (Pilot must concur first)

UPA23 - Page 13
NEW - No mandatory Field Standby assignments; Voluntary Field Standby pays 3 hours of Add Pay

UPA23 - Page 15
First day of reserve pre-10am incentives •Pilot who picks up SC or FSB entitled to 1 hour of Add Pay

UPA23 - Page 44
NEW - Lineholder can no longer involuntarily assigned FSB after loss of flying


It appears FSB is going amazingly well. But you have already been explained this what, ten times now?

And before you pretend that your reference was solely directed at their present contract, allow me put it in your own words:


Originally Posted by El Peso (Post 3670641)
Posting data from old contracts. We all know this. I’m obviously taking about going forward. I think it’s time for you to calm down moron.


Montcalm 07-22-2023 11:52 AM


Originally Posted by El Peso (Post 3670798)
Hey sh$T for brains, he’s referencing our current ability to trip trade, so I reference his current FSB. Try to keep up dummy.

You’re a little worm

Rest assured, I’m keeping up.

He is alluding to the near lack of existence of trip trading at AA, and our failure to secure provisions to fix it.

His response was given in reaction to your sarcastic remark about United not eliminating their global reserve system.

Little worm out. 🐛

El Peso 07-22-2023 11:56 AM


Originally Posted by Montcalm (Post 3670811)
He is alluding to the near lack of existence of trip trading at AA, and our failure to secure provisions to fix it.

His response was given in reaction to your sarcastic remark about United not eliminating their global reserve system.

Little worm out. 🐛

Again stupid, your little worm like selective comprehension has got you babbling about much of nothing. Their global reserve and current FSB are not the same thing. Bye bye you pathetic a little worm.

Montcalm 07-22-2023 12:05 PM


Originally Posted by El Peso (Post 3670390)
No. We left out crap like global reserve and kept stuff that we have that neither DAL or UAL have.


Originally Posted by GPullR (Post 3670655)
So how's that trip trading going?? Oh wait, your schedules have been locked down for 18 months.


Originally Posted by El Peso (Post 3670718)
How’s FSB going? Fun times commuting in to base to sit at the airport for 4-5 hours eh?

The predicament with the internet is that it tends to leave a trace.

Meep meep. 🐛

El Peso 07-22-2023 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by Montcalm (Post 3670817)
The predicament with the internet is that it tends to leave a trace.

Meep meep. 🐛

Yep that’s how awful their current contract is. They currently have global reserve and FSB. They’re making one of those voluntary when the new contract passes. Right now they’re still living with both, as we are with the trip trading system.

You’re steadily moving from the 🐛 category to 🐈


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