APA Fails to Raise the Bar
08-01-2023 | 06:02 AM
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I have kids at home, and I'm running into IMAX, although accidentally. Just been running my PPROJ up as high as I can tolerate in order to pay for a home under construction that always seems to be going over budget! Can't wait to slow down once it's completed, however.
08-01-2023 | 06:14 AM
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"Overall value" isn't the gauge. Isom himself is on video saying he was prepared to "match" DL. It's totally disingenuous to say AA didn't match DL, then UA on the vast majority of the bullet points, including pay tables to the penny. It's one long list of "me too" snap-ups.
The townhall last night was embarrassing. APA is a peewee town league team playing against the KC Chiefs at the negotiating table. Run over and trampled on.
Edit: There a multiple unchanged items from UAL, DAL, AA that AA will remain industry trailing. Things that UAL and DAL already had but didn't improved in their most recent bargaining. Hotels, etc.
08-01-2023 | 06:49 AM
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I could MAYBE stretch my brain a little and say we matched DAL. Not sure I could get there but it isn't unreasonable. To say we matched UAL is simply not true. Period. APA's email after UAL's AIP had 23 bullet points that they considered industry standard. We achieved 4 of them from our most recent talks. These are not industry leading items they are industry standard. We can't even get to industry standard other than pay rates or other pay related items.
The townhall last night was embarrassing. APA is a peewee town league team playing against the KC Chiefs at the negotiating table. Run over and trampled on.
Edit: There a multiple unchanged items from UAL, DAL, AA that AA will remain industry trailing. Things that UAL and DAL already had but didn't improved in their most recent bargaining. Hotels, etc.
The townhall last night was embarrassing. APA is a peewee town league team playing against the KC Chiefs at the negotiating table. Run over and trampled on.
Edit: There a multiple unchanged items from UAL, DAL, AA that AA will remain industry trailing. Things that UAL and DAL already had but didn't improved in their most recent bargaining. Hotels, etc.
08-01-2023 | 07:12 AM
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Their argument for a lot of stuff was, "Be careful what you wish for.". Like the extra day off for reserves argument. Apparently Delta and United don't have an 85 hr max limit on reserves. They use FAR max. Our 85 hr max essentially means we can't be used more than 16 days per month, so we're already getting at least 14-15 days off. Of course those are days that can't be pre-bid, but they are days off in the end. There were numerous items that were worse than what we have at DAL and UAL and the company said, OK, you can have that, but then you get all of DAL/UAL's contract and not just the good parts. I am not defending APA and will be one of the first in line to vote for ALPA when and if that time comes.
08-01-2023 | 07:18 AM
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08-01-2023 | 07:24 AM
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Their argument for a lot of stuff was, "Be careful what you wish for.". Like the extra day off for reserves argument. Apparently Delta and United don't have an 85 hr max limit on reserves. They use FAR max. Our 85 hr max essentially means we can't be used more than 16 days per month, so we're already getting at least 14-15 days off. Of course those are days that can't be pre-bid, but they are days off in the end. There were numerous items that were worse than what we have at DAL and UAL and the company said, OK, you can have that, but then you get all of DAL/UAL's contract and not just the good parts. I am not defending APA and will be one of the first in line to vote for ALPA when and if that time comes.
08-01-2023 | 07:32 AM
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Their argument for a lot of stuff was, "Be careful what you wish for.". Like the extra day off for reserves argument. Apparently Delta and United don't have an 85 hr max limit on reserves. They use FAR max. Our 85 hr max essentially means we can't be used more than 16 days per month, so we're already getting at least 14-15 days off. Of course those are days that can't be pre-bid, but they are days off in the end. There were numerous items that were worse than what we have at DAL and UAL and the company said, OK, you can have that, but then you get all of DAL/UAL's contract and not just the good parts. I am not defending APA and will be one of the first in line to vote for ALPA when and if that time comes.
08-01-2023 | 07:47 AM
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Can try to pick it up for OG( over guarantee) or PR and go above 85 hours. That is at scheduling's discretion. Can't just go and pick it up yourself on your off days.
08-01-2023 | 07:49 AM
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Sorry to invade your forum just watching from the sidelines and wanted to correct some info in here. At DAL reserve pilots are limited to Average Line Value (ALV) +15 hours. ALV changes month to month but must fall between 72-84 hours for narrow body aircraft which for us includes the 767-300 and 71-85 hours for wide body aircraft. Most summer months see ALVs around 80 and winter months in the low-mid 70s.
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