There are some things that are easy to cut and paste, but the details are really, really important. For instance, "hey, let's have a self-directed MBCBP!", but MBCB plans cannot be self-directed. That's the whole point, is that it is a defined benefit plan, which gives you access to a different set of limits than DC plans. But DB plans cannot be directed by the recipient, they must be professionally managed. It took DALPA almost 3 years of work with professional finance houses to put together theirs. It's not something you pull off the shelf.

The 10 hour duty pay is not a rig. It pays no matter what, and is not offset by anything. For reserves, it's above guarantee.

 

Thats for RO. The new RO is 4 hours and the 0159 is gone.

The TA reassignment limitation is “no more than one calendar day.”

 

Yep and the management fees are going to be a bit higher than what you'd see with ETF's or Mutual/Index funds that are usually in the .015-.1% range.

 

No. That point does not remain the same. APA needs to negotiate wins not a cost/manning neutral solution for the company’s problems that then get labeled as a win for us.

UAL has sequence limits and the 10 hour duty.

 

so similar to the others.
I hope they release a contract comparison

 

To add to this, at DL going anywhere near ALV+15 is very rare. Getting more than a couple hours over a reserve guarantee not even remotely common. There are lots of ways to manage around that.

Also, DL cannot give you any trip which exceeds your remaining days on call - so in the above example, just because you are 3:45 short of being “Full”, doesn’t mean you can fly another 20ish hours if you don’t have 4 consecutive days of reserve remaining. If you only have 1 day remaining, you still can only fly that one day for a couple hours “over”. Since the maximum Reserve Guarantee is 80 hours, it’s actually really hard to exceed 85 via trip assignments, even if you want to.

See above, very, very few DL pilots are ever getting trips totaling over 85 hours. It’s possible, yes, but any comparison to a “hard limit” of 85 cannot assume the upper end of the limit, or that it happens much at all.

Are you serious, it’s a stretch to think AA matched DL, then UA? Really? We would easily come up with more than 23 bullet list items which matched. On balance, everyone knows APA came in very low on pay rates, and then matched DL’s AIP to the penny. Plus lots of other matched items like retro of 4/4/14, and other work rules as well. UA then matched DL and added 2% to the pay rates after our snap-up clause. AA then “matched” that…. Again. I don’t know why what’s so hard to “stretch” your brain around. Without DL and UA, AA’s contract would be billions lower.

FYI, DL is the same. No more than one calendar day past original footprint

 

Reroute off of your original rotation and reroute outside your trip window are two different things now as well. The pay treatment now stacks with each other.

Let's say you get rerouted on just your last day (with all the restrictions that go with that), you're making 150%. If they also take you outside your original release by 4 hours or more (non-ocean crossing), you're going to get an extra 100% for the entire last duty period. If they take you into the next day, that's two duty periods with 100% premium. So, essentially 100% for what you do, 50% for the non-original legs, and an extra 100% for the last duty period(s).

250% pay on the days you get in late and fly an extra day. Release after midnight for bonus points. If you happen to be on a green slip....well, you get the idea.

 

I think maybe you need to relax a little and read what I said again.

I’ll help: I said it would be a stretch to say that AA matched DAL and that we definitely did not match UAL.

 

DL's MBCBP management fees, through a CIT, are going to be about .03 - .04

man is there a lot of contortionism trying to cherry pick at the margins where APA possibly on DALPA an UAL. But it won't change the fact that APA didn't raise the bar, period.

 

That's what I read the first time. Are you trying to say that AA tried to match, but fell short? Are we talking past one another? Genuine question.

Because when you look at the APA website at https://negotiations.alliedpilots.org/Contract2023 > TA Summary. Here are just a few things that match DL, with help from UA (who matched DL and added 2%):
- Pay tables, to the penny
- 4/4/14 Retro
- 17% DC in 2024 and 18% in 2026,
- Profit Sharing formula
- Vacation paying 4:35
- Training pay of 3:05/day
- Training withdrawal option
- Reassignment pay at 150% day 1, 200% day 2
- 2:00 pay for release between 0000-0159
- sit pay exceeding 2:30 (DL actually 3 going to 2 on 1/1/24)
- LTD 50% of Final earnings (APA exceeded DL with "no offsets")
- MBCBP
- And more