APA officially in negotiations with ALPA
10-10-2025 | 08:59 AM
#171
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While I don’t disagree, there are those who don’t care either way. I’ve flown with many who have said they don’t vote because they don’t really care. They show up, do their job, and go home. Whether their bag says APA or ALPA is irrelevant. It would be nice to get those guys/gals involved because their vote could matter. Many didn’t vote for their base reps so I don’t see them showing up to vote for a union. If they don’t care who represents us, them voting yes could make a big difference.
I have been told it would be unethical for ALPA National to tell AA pilots why we should support the merger efforts. But honestly, until I hear why from someone other than AA pilots about why we should switch, I won’t be convinced.
If ALPA National can’t/won’t create a campaign to court us, then I would need a third-party, deep-dive explanation of the pros and cons to make an informed decision.
My friends at UA and DAL all gripe about the same things we do with regard to their union/leadership.
So, I am in the “devil you know” camp.
But I am just one vote… so who cares, right?
10-10-2025 | 02:55 PM
#172
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I am one of those that don’t give two ******s who represents us. But I do vote.
I have been told it would be unethical for ALPA National to tell AA pilots why we should support the merger efforts. But honestly, until I hear why from someone other than AA pilots about why we should switch, I won’t be convinced.
If ALPA National can’t/won’t create a campaign to court us, then I would need a third-party, deep-dive explanation of the pros and cons to make an informed decision.
My friends at UA and DAL all gripe about the same things we do with regard to their union/leadership.
So, I am in the “devil you know” camp.
But I am just one vote… so who cares, right?
I have been told it would be unethical for ALPA National to tell AA pilots why we should support the merger efforts. But honestly, until I hear why from someone other than AA pilots about why we should switch, I won’t be convinced.
If ALPA National can’t/won’t create a campaign to court us, then I would need a third-party, deep-dive explanation of the pros and cons to make an informed decision.
My friends at UA and DAL all gripe about the same things we do with regard to their union/leadership.
So, I am in the “devil you know” camp.
But I am just one vote… so who cares, right?
10-11-2025 | 03:52 AM
#173
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I am one of those that don’t give two ******s who represents us. But I do vote.
I have been told it would be unethical for ALPA National to tell AA pilots why we should support the merger efforts. But honestly, until I hear why from someone other than AA pilots about why we should switch, I won’t be convinced.
If ALPA National can’t/won’t create a campaign to court us, then I would need a third-party, deep-dive explanation of the pros and cons to make an informed decision.
My friends at UA and DAL all gripe about the same things we do with regard to their union/leadership.
So, I am in the “devil you know” camp.
But I am just one vote… so who cares, right?
I have been told it would be unethical for ALPA National to tell AA pilots why we should support the merger efforts. But honestly, until I hear why from someone other than AA pilots about why we should switch, I won’t be convinced.
If ALPA National can’t/won’t create a campaign to court us, then I would need a third-party, deep-dive explanation of the pros and cons to make an informed decision.
My friends at UA and DAL all gripe about the same things we do with regard to their union/leadership.
So, I am in the “devil you know” camp.
But I am just one vote… so who cares, right?
10-11-2025 | 04:58 AM
#174
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I am one of those that don’t give two ******s who represents us. But I do vote.
I have been told it would be unethical for ALPA National to tell AA pilots why we should support the merger efforts. But honestly, until I hear why from someone other than AA pilots about why we should switch, I won’t be convinced.
If ALPA National can’t/won’t create a campaign to court us, then I would need a third-party, deep-dive explanation of the pros and cons to make an informed decision.
My friends at UA and DAL all gripe about the same things we do with regard to their union/leadership.
So, I am in the “devil you know” camp.
But I am just one vote… so who cares, right?
I have been told it would be unethical for ALPA National to tell AA pilots why we should support the merger efforts. But honestly, until I hear why from someone other than AA pilots about why we should switch, I won’t be convinced.
If ALPA National can’t/won’t create a campaign to court us, then I would need a third-party, deep-dive explanation of the pros and cons to make an informed decision.
My friends at UA and DAL all gripe about the same things we do with regard to their union/leadership.
So, I am in the “devil you know” camp.
But I am just one vote… so who cares, right?
During S6? If yes for how much of it?
10-11-2025 | 06:11 AM
#175
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No, not during Covid.
Only for the end of S6 (3 1/2 years), but long enough to have a vote on the contract.
But, with the way your reply comes across, I guess I’m too junior to understand.
It still doesn’t change my perspective.
10-11-2025 | 06:11 AM
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10-11-2025 | 06:15 AM
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Not just weakness but their insistence on only concentrating on what the top 15% of the seniority list wanted while purposely and willfully skewing survey results to reflect that was the top priority of the whole pilot group.
10-11-2025 | 06:15 AM
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10-11-2025 | 06:23 AM
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In your little survey group of friends from different airlines, how is their profit sharing? How are they enjoying the other massive gains they got in their last contract?
It's these "everything is fine for me" people who live in their own little shells on why we will never see significant improvement in our union or catch up to UA/DL.
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