24 months

This isn't a regional where 24 months means half the company has turned over. Adjust your expectations and your life will greatly improve, and look forward to a long career as many will retire over the next five-ten years.

I honestly didn't think I had to specify any "line holding" FO when I talking about bidding/awarded lines but that's the internet for you. Congrats, you won!

 

PHX and LGA have line holders in the 16's and many bases have line holders in the mid-to-high 15's.

 

CLT and DFW do not. PHX 737 is an outlier but not a bad place for a new hire at the moment.

The junior bases are junior for a reason.

 

Inflation. Airline pilots made more in the 70s and 80s then they do today inflation adjusted.

 

Senior people forget and just don't understand. They also make the worst people to give advice to new hires. So much bad information here lol

 

yep, New York will always be junior. PHX and ORD has some artificial junior characteristics due to the a new bid status. Those enjoying some seniority right now are about to be smacked across the head by a 2X4 once those withhelds start pouring in.

 

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Are you sure about that. I just talked to my uncle. 1979 60K. 727 FO 12th year pay. That’s close to today $250K or so. In 1998 wide body Captain he made $200K. Today’s dollars that’s $394K. Not as much as I make NB today. $500K.

I made $107K in 2013. MD80 FO 12th year pay. The 1979 to 2013 was $192K.

 

I’m pretty sure, I think the reality is that we can argue all day what the real inflation rate is you say 6%, I say 15%… whatever. A “calculator” told us so right?

What we can both agree upon however is the spot price for gold being around $200 then (stable 1978) and $3400 ish now. Doing that math, he was just shy of millionaire status in today’s world. WB CA in 1998 making $2m in today’s value.

 

Good points. How you measure inflation matters.

The median HOUSEHOLD income in 1979 was $16,530.

The median home price was $71,800 (it was $54,200 in 1977 so real estate inflation was crushing the middle class back then too).

NB CA here is now a pretty good job by most historical measures (just don't look at gold or ShadowStats.com). The big question is how long will it take a new hire to get there? NB FO in a large bid status is not a very good job until 3rd+ year pay combined with lineholder status. How long to hold a line on the Bus in CLT for a new hire today? It was 2 years for someone hired 2 years ago but it won't be that fast going forward.

Things are not BAD by any stretch of the imagination and pilots anywhere except another Big 3 will probably do well to come here. They need realistic expectations though and as mentioned the stories being told in this thread are for the most part not realistic for new hires today especially if they aren't particularly interested in LGA 737.