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American Airlines pilots’ union members to vote on new labor deal | LeveragedLoan.com

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American Airlines pilots’ union members to vote on new labor deal | LeveragedLoan.com

Night Hawk 6

Again APA will send a list of "agreements in priciple" to the membership instead of a finalized contract. How many times will the AA pilots vote to accept a less than finished deal? Management has handed the APA and its pilots another promise not a contract. Will there be another vote to ratify the CONTRACT?

lsl80

The contract language of the TA is posted on the APA web page.

ForeverFO

To paraphrase APA leadership - "I believe we've played this hand out as much as it can be done." If this thing passes, we will forever wonder if that is truly the case.

I'm leaning towards a NO vote. I suspect the 13.5% stake is going to sucker people in.

All I know at the moment is that our December bid sheet sucked, with a large number of lines at 16, 17, or more days on. As a first year FO in 1992, I was easily holding 12 day lines worth 78 hours.

kcpunk

ForeverFO

What are your reasons for a no vote?

7576FO

I wasn't asked but,

50 % code share. Unlimited CS with Alaska (except LAX)
Group 1 (E-190 CA) pay $108 hr.
4%/2%/2% raises? The 4% does not make up for loss of night pay.
Regional feed to 65% of NB fleet count
NB 2012 AA is 487 hulls NB fleet 2016 567
can exceed June 1 -Jan 1 at 110% that is regional count can be 110%
Regional OTHER CS to 50% asm's

E170 9/60
E 175 8/72 Ding Ding Ding pull 4 seats out.
E-190 11/88 exceed 99 need extra FA

UAL scope has UAX limit 900nm
76 seats max 255 hulls the >255 to 325 req no more than 102 70 seaters


My A fund pension is frozen. My B-fund will be casshed out on a somewhat down market, most of it has been sold already. AA want to put 14 % into my 401K but UAL has 16.5%

My union and many pilots will begin telling me that the only way to get rid of this management is to vote YES to this poor TA.

I don't believe that.

For all you non-AA pilots, our F/A's have a ME TOO clause. Persoanally NOT MY PROBLEM.

Many pilots tired of NO pay protection will vote YES.

Me i'm a NO!

More later.

lsl80

The A fund being frozen and B fund being cashed out is a non issue. Those plans are finished as of the 1 Nov pay date.
The TA has a 14% contribution going into a 401k. That is an issue that you can vote on.

ForeverFO

7576FO spoke well. I need to do more study, but my impression so far is that this is the LBFO microwaved, with a little seasoning sprinkled on top. The main course remains the same.

I think we can do better. I am also convinced that the "talks" that the company so eagerly desired last month was a sham, with no real desire to improve on the LBFO.

B757200ER

These two are what could be the most serious, incurring many job-losses over time:

* 50 % code share. Unlimited CS with Alaska & Hawaiian (except LAX)

* Regional feed to 65% of NB fleet count

kcpunk

Hopefully the "NO" voters listened to the telecon yesterday.
A rejected TA puts the merger And Equity Stake at a huge risk
Furlough protection to last active FO
Scope and Code share agreements defended and explained well

I have mouths to feed and a mortgage to pay, I think turning this TA down
would be a huge mistake, I am a YES