LittleBoyBlew

I suspect that this NDA might be "open ended" meaning the involved parties did not stipulate a mutual expiration period. This reeks of ToHo legally "GAGGING" DP in order to complete AA restructuring unimpeded...
Why has the UCC allowed this to occur?? If in fact, the AA/US merger brings better returns when compared to AA stand alone, why haven't they pulled the trigger already??
I think DP, like a mischievous little dog, has been collared, leashed, and muzzled..
AMR is a master of deception..When all eyes are on center stage, the real show is taking place on the side ring...

justjack

Because they really are all in one big club. I am sure they are working on the maximum returns for all individuals in the club. Kirby acquired 114,862 shares for $3.10 a share, or $356,072.20, and then sold them for $15 a share, or $1,722,930, for a net gain of $1,366,857.80. (and for him, this isn't his entire retirement. It's just another summer home in the Hamptons.) Just as soon as everyone in the club is happy things will start to move- and not a minute before. They are busy amassing fortunes- or adding to the fortunes that they already have. What feels like an eternity to us is nothing to the club members.

Gomerglideslope

By all of this you surely aren't intending to say that the feckless USAPA is now (or has at any time) truly attempted to represent the best interests of the former America West pilots, are you?

R57 relay

They were told from the start, actually before the start that the west wouldn't have anything to do with them and would do everything possible to destroy them. So with that background, no.

cactusmike

Yes, because the west knew from the start that adult supervision was needed to handle the dispute between groups.

USAPA has done nothing in the last 6 years to change the opinion of anyone from the west. USAPA is a shining example of self interest and cronyism run amuck. Just look at the little theatrics emanating from CLT reps right now.

flybywire44

It mast have been painful for West pilots to learn of the unanimous MOU vote.

And what is wrong with with self interest? Ayn Rand called it a virtue when she wrote Atlas Shrugged.

Bringupthebird

Nope - Wrong again.

USAPA's constitution did not have a process to confirm members when there were no BPR reps, so there was no process by which they could become members until USAPA realized how short sighted they were and made one up. Idiots!
Doug Mowery drew up the C&Rs himself and testified under oath that he had only solicited the opinion of ONE west pilot when crafting them. One pilot for 1800.

Why would your attorneys reach out to AOL? I don't pay AOL dues money. USAPA has to do the right thing if they want exclusive right to represent the US pilots. Problem is, the same goobers that screwed you up when you were ALPA are the same ones screwing things up for you now. And they have absolutely no experience in doing the right thing.

Are you starting to see a pattern here? I can assure you APA has and there will be few if any positions within APA filled by the amateurs from USAPA.


I have offered many solutions, but all of them start with replacing USAPA. Why? Because you can't fix stupid.

R57 relay

You got that right and we can use you as exhibit A.

I said: "The west's final offer going into arbitration was to staple over 900 active, working US pilots. Read the Nicolau award and opinion, it's in there."

You said "Nope-wrong again."

From the Nicolau Opinion and Award, available to you on cactuspilot.com. You should read it some time. You guys have paid enough for the website.

"The America West Proposal
America West's initial proposal differed dramatically from that of
US Airways. As previously indicated, its position, when first presented
in detail, was a series of ratios accompanied with a two year condition
and restriction reserving to US Airways pilots all Captain positions on
the 9 A330 aircraft flying international routes as of May 19, 2005. The
first proposed ratio was not Captain to Captain. Instead, America West
added to its 855 Captains an additional 114 First Officers, who,
America West claimed, expected captaincies based on the 19 A320s on
firm order as of May 2005. That combined figure (969) was to be
integrated on a straight ratio basis with 1121 US Airways Captains, a
number derived from staffing assumptions based on what 'were 221 US
Airways aircraft as of February 2006. This ratio would be followed by an
integration of the remaining America West First Officers (925) with
1051 US Airways First Officers, also on a straight ratio basis. After the
reinsertion of those on extended medical leaves and those in nonflying
positions, this would put 2431 US Airways pilots on the bottom of
the list, 959 of whom were active pilots as of May 19, 2005 with the
remaining 1472 furloughees.
Like that of US Airways, America West's position was not
substantially modified during the proceedings. "

Those are your beloved George Nicolau's words, not mine. Back to your Navajo, or cubicle.

R57 relay

I've never been USAPA's biggest fan but one of it's problem was that too many people, east and west, sat on the sidelines throwing stones. So of the best east people would not join. How has that worked out?

I have to say that the west's words and actions have hardened my opinions towards them too.

Wiskey Driver

The reality is we dont care! You see my friend, when you practice and or watch as a crime is being committed and you do nothing other than watch you are as guilty as the one(s) that committed the crime.

I give you just a tad bit more than the average east pilot because you did in fact donate. The problem with you is did not do enough and yes you are your brothers keeper. It matters not what you wanted after the fact as that ship sailed. The last 5 plus years have been nothing but east stalling which has been a dagger plunged into the hearts of the west. We played your game and we played to the end and then you refused to pay. You will have to forgive us for feeling that you all low lifes.

The east with their move has been the worst that this industry has ever seen. Thru the east's actions they have allowed a management team to keep and hold down an entire pilot group making LCC the worst paid pilots in the country for class and craft. Now there is something that you all can be very proud of as it will go down in history that way.

WD at AWA