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02-20-2013, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by R57 relay
Interesting. We'll see how it works out. I think you guys are way off base on a bunch of those items, but I'll just keep those to myself.
02-20-2013, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
Usapa and apa are suppose to negotiate a sli prior to arbitration according to mou, we have informed the apa of our legal issues. If apa negotiates with usapa and something besides the Nic. Is used, well the apa has been warned and can't claim ignorance.
02-20-2013, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
We might be, but it doesn't matter does it? Usapa won't be around long enough to see the end regardless of we win or not.
02-20-2013, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by R57 relay
They might be. I doubt as the CBA of the new American pilots though.
02-20-2013, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
And that is all that matters. Keep the Nic. In our contracts until apa takes over and dfr is the apa's. letter make sense yet?
So delay the timeline enough that APA is the CBA when the entire SLI process is begun? That's it? Again, we'll see, mybe you got the winning formula this time. Delay, Delay, Delay. I thought that was what you guys accuse USAPA of doing.
The SLI process doesn't begin until the effective date. At the effective date, the MTA replaces those contracts that have the Nicolau in it, with specific language that says the seniority lists in effect, not the Nic, are still used.
02-20-2013, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by R57 relay
At the effective date, the MTA replaces those contracts that have the Nicolau in it, with specific language that says the seniority lists in effect, not the Nic, are still used.
02-20-2013, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
Is that language legal? That language is what our attorneys reference as proof of collusion to unsrp the wests rights. When did the west give up a claim to the Nic?
I thought you guys had an aversion to changing things after the fact. You say we agreed to the Nicolau process, and we did by union consent. You guys agreed to this with your vote. Going back afterwards screaming collusion would be a stretch.
02-20-2013, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by R57 relay
Again, wouldn't that have been a question to answer before recommending to your clients to vote for it? Did they only learn of this after the vote less than two weeks ago? Remember, you guys voted for it and as a block would have had a really good chance of defeating it.
I thought you guys had an aversion to changing things after the fact. You say we agreed to the Nicolau process, and we did by union consent. You guys agreed to this with your vote. Going back afterwards screaming collusion would be a stretch.
02-20-2013, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
yeah that's it, we are completely surprised by the language. Oh wait, leonidas principals wrote it with input from leonidas attorneys
we agreed to go to a new contract, no where in the mou does it say the Nic. Goes away.
we agreed to go to a new contract, no where in the mou does it say the Nic. Goes away.
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