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Old 03-19-2016 | 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by jcountry
Just wait-

Mav will be demanding 16 years AA seniority now.
Nope. You guys are taking this too seriously. We have just been told we were going to only go to Legacy AA bases unless we wanted a US one. Some guys do. It's great that it's an option. Less overall commuters down the road once fences come down. As far as entitled, I'd gladly compare resumes, especially against some 25yr old intern or fleet managers son. Biggest reason for not wanting 190 is unlike the 737 or Airbus I'm stuck in a base I never wanted. At least having the option of getting to bid Miami and maybe holding it before being done with IOE

as far as never interviewing. My medical was the same as mainline. Sim ride was in the 707. Same paperwork. Same question in the interview. And lots of us flew with flow backs who we liked and were great pilots but we also flew with ones who we wondered how they kept the shinny side up
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Old 03-19-2016 | 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by RyanP
Well, this part is complete BS.

Working for AMR for 16 years isn't enough of an interview? Flying AA passengers, training in the same building, getting paid from the same place, using the same IT systems, doing the same job.. it was basically the same company just with a much smaller pay check. Give me a break.

There is no silver platter for us at Eagle after all we have been through with this company, that is for sure. All of us flowing here at Eagle have paid our dues to this company for a long time, and we flew with the AA flowbacks in our Captain seats over here too. I agree with Maverick though, pretty much none of us want to be stuck in PHL hell and we pray to not get that. I don't give a crap what airplane I get, but whatever. It is what it is after the merger. I'll suck it up if thats what I get. Beats being stuck at Eaglevoy any longer.
I an overall sense, your statement sounds like entitlement. Yes, we all went through the years of bull over there, but most of us have brought a "happy to be here" attitude to AA. The culture here is night and day different, and we are generally happy to finally work for the better side of the corporation. However, some of us who've come over have brought their bitter, angry self-entitled "I've worked for this company for (fill in the blank years), and I deserve (blank)" attitudes into the cockpit, and it grates on the captains who these bitter souls have to fly with. And they remember it. And the next time an ex-Eagle pilot shows up in their cockpit, they think "uh oh, I wonder what I'm in for THIS time."

Leave the bitterness behind. Bring a good attitude into the cockpit. Be happy that you are moving on. Regardless of your years at Eagle, you are a newhire here. You and every other newhire alongside you get the base and equipment that you get. Almost everyone that's been hired or flowed into AA has been assigned a base they didn't live in or near. They've made due. They've commuted, lived in a crashpad, etc., until their seniority allowed them to move on. You'll get your base of choice soon enough. In the meantime, enjoy the moment you're in. The crews are generally awesome here, and really make a trip a lot of fun.

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Old 03-19-2016 | 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by 450knotOffice
I an overall sense, your statement sounds like entitlement. Yes, we all went through the years of bull over there, but most of us have brought a "happy to be here" attitude to AA. The culture here is night and day different, and we are generally happy to finally work for the better side of the corporation. However, some of us who've come over have brought their bitter, angry self-entitled "I've worked for this company for (fill in the blank years), and I deserve (blank)" attitudes into the cockpit, and it grates on the captains who these bitter souls have to fly with. And they remember it. And the next time an ex-Eagle pilot shows up in their cockpit, they think "uh oh, I wonder what I'm in for THIS time."

Leave the bitterness behind. Bring a good attitude into the cockpit. Be happy that you are moving on. Regardless of your years at Eagle, you are a newhire here. You and every other newhire alongside you get the base and equipment that you get. Almost everyone that's been hired or flowed into AA has been assigned a base they didn't live in or near. They've made due. They've commuted, lived in a crashpad, etc., until their seniority allowed them to move on. You'll get your base of choice soon enough. In the meantime, enjoy the moment you're in. The crews are generally awesome here, and really make a trip a lot of fun.

I will be happy to be there. I just don't agree with the Eagle pilots getting handed the job on a silver platter part. That is what annoys me when people say things like that. Pretty much all of the current Eagle CA's have paid their dues to have this AA flow deal compared to OTS hires. We accepted flowbacks taking Eagle CA seats, downgrading our own pilots, keeping us in the right seat longer while AA pilots were in our CA seats in exchange for this flow we have now etc etc..

People tend to forget that flowback part and say we are just entitled brats. Eagle pilots paid for it, this wasn't a freebie deal for many Eagle pilots like PSA pilots are getting now. Myself and many others here have flown many flights with an AA flowback pilot in the left seat, which directly harmed our career and income.

I am very happy to have this opportunity now, will take whatever I get and can't wait to be there but it came at a cost to Eagle pilots. It definitely was not free.

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Old 03-19-2016 | 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by RyanP
I will be happy to be there. I just don't agree with the Eagle pilots getting handed the job on a silver platter part. That is what annoys me when people say things like that. Pretty much all of the current Eagle CA's have paid their dues to have this AA flow deal compared to OTS hires. We accepted flowbacks taking Eagle CA seats, downgrading our own pilots, keeping us in the right seat longer while AA pilots were in our CA seats in exchange for this flow we have now etc etc..

People tend to forget that flowback part and say we are just entitled brats. Eagle pilots paid for it, this wasn't a freebie deal for many of us like PSA and Peidmont are getting now. I have flown many flights here with an AA flowback pilot in the left seat.
Yea, that was a long time ago, and was part of the deal, remember?

Anyway, let it go. Let it gooooo.
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Old 03-19-2016 | 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by 450knotOffice
Yea, that was a long time ago, and was part of the deal, remember?

Anyway, let it go. Let it gooooo.
I know it was part of the deal. I'm good. lol. I'm not the one demanding bases or equipment, I'll take what I can get.

That is really what I was getting at anyway. That is was a "deal"(with 2 sides to it).

Just a reminder of the costs associated with our current flow. Some of these people on the forum, typically the Usair people from what I have seen like to make comments about how the Eagle flows don't deserve this flow and disagree with it since they have OTS or military friends looking to get hired. Obviously they never had AA flowbacks occupying their CA seats so they don't "get it". Gives one a different perspective on things when you did.

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Old 03-19-2016 | 11:04 AM
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I've said it before:

Life isn't fair
There is no justice
Timing is everything

3 rules of life.

I get that it's been a raw deal for a lot and to think that any pilot isn't going to ***** about it would be crazy. At some point or another we all have paid our dues...some more than others. No one gets here with anything handed to them on a silver platter. It takes a lot of work and sacrifice for any of us to get this far without imploding ones family, finances etc..

I get riled up because a lot of people come here for new hire info or are awaiting the next step in the interview process. What they don't come for is the bitter ranting of old pilots. They will get plenty of that when they show up for their 4 day down the road.

For those that are on this thread looking for relevant information and contributing, I have had a great experience thus far at AA (LUS side). So take it all with a grain.


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Old 03-19-2016 | 11:41 AM
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Any info on why american isn't hiring it's interns as much as united and delta is? Stinks to do an internship and not have an interview yet.
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Old 03-19-2016 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Dalma459
Any info on why american isn't hiring it's interns as much as united and delta is? Stinks to do an internship and not have an interview yet.
No clue. Some interns apparently have gotten hired. What's your resume look like without the internship?
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Old 03-19-2016 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Sliceback
No clue. Some interns apparently have gotten hired. What's your resume look like without the internship?
Not sure about Dalma's, but mine looks damn good as well as many others I know of. In fact IMO, a lot better than many of the people who I know that are getting the job. None of them are being called. All of my friends who have done internships with UA have been interviewed and hired. My guess is that it doesn't carry much weight anymore.
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Old 03-19-2016 | 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Jetwash
I've said it before:

Life isn't fair
There is no justice
Timing is everything

3 rules of life.


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This.... this, this and this. And these rules could not be more true than in the airline industry.

Just do the best we can, hope for the best, and hang on!
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